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Old 02-12-12, 07:46 PM   #1
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Double Stacked Fretboard?

What does this mean exactly?
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Old 02-12-12, 07:52 PM   #2
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

Not sure what Gibson means by "double stacked", but your Avatar certainly does.
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

two pieces of rosewood to make the same thickness of one board.
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I like the avatar answer way better. No offense mapleflame.
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

I don't know which I like less, baked and stained maple for fretboards or this double stacking rosewood/ebony scheme. But I wouldn't pay more than $60 for a guitar that had either. Just my .02.
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

Actually, what Gibson should be doing on Historics is sell them with whatever scrap wood for a fretboard this year and deduct the price Historic Makeovers would charge for a new solid rosewood fretboard from the retail cost of the new Historics. Then at least you could get them fixed right without leaving an extra hole in yer wallet.
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

The whole thing gives me the creeps, along with baked maple and whatever other crap they have. Never buying a 2012 or later Gibson, ever. Putting glue joints where there is no logical or structural reason to do so is just bad, not to mention the historical accuracy thing.
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There not doing that on Historic's
Thats the USA line
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

What about the North American Rosewood?
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Old 02-13-12, 12:29 PM   #10
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Yeah, and the North German RW is supposed to be superior quality, too.
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Old 02-13-12, 01:49 PM   #12
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Not true. Talk to some dealers that know what's up. This was the line a few weeks ago, but not anymore.
I'll talk to to the guys I know.

I don't belive that for a second.

Gibson could be going to shit once again.... 1970's
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Old 02-13-12, 01:54 PM   #13
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

Word I'm hearing is new-production Historics will ship with double-stacked RW boards. I don't give a damn either way, because I never buy anything new.
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Will we know which...will they be secretive with information on the guitar in your hands?
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Will we know which...will they be secretive with information on the guitar in your hands?
You mean you wouldn't be able to tell from the sound if the fretboard was made from two pieces of rosewood?!

Sorry.

I agree with everything said, but it would be far worse if the backs were made of two glued pieces of mahogany so the seam showed than this. In my opinion of course.
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You mean you wouldn't be able to tell from the sound if the fretboard was made from two pieces of rosewood?!

Sorry.
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Yeah, and the North German RW is supposed to be superior quality, too.
I find it very hard to believe that any form of rosewood is being grown in any part of Germany, much less northern Germany.
The only tropical forest I have seen in Germany is in the chocolate museum in Cologne.
However, Noth America has large areas of tropical forest and supposedly Brazillian rosewood was planted here decades ago, and is now being harvested.
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I can't hear or play guitars online...I don't have many to choose from locally (VERY few!)
Same here. I won't be buying any post-2011 Gibsons either.
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Re: Double Stacked Fretboard?

I find it amusing that in an effort to conform to rules to limit destruction of rosewood forests by enforcing the Lacey act, the "law of unintended consequences" comes into play: it takes MORE wood to get the same thickness for the fretboard out of 2 pieces of rosewood laminated together than a single piece of wood.........kerf of the saw cut making two pieces and then the finishing/planing process on the extra 2 sides. But hey, when the wood is loaded on the boat and it is legal when it is unloaded here then that is all that counts.
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If it sounds good, plays good and looks good, I don't give a s**t if the fret board is double stacked or not, I'll buy it...

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I agree with everything said, but it would be far worse if the backs were made of two glued pieces of mahogany so the seam showed than this. In my opinion of course.
That's NEXT year...
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yes, and I had hopes Gibson might use this wood, which Gibson is calling "Floridian Rosewood" internally, for their historics

but it is not to be

Gibson does intend to use it, but not sure for what.
Acoustics no doubt...fretboards are one thing but acoustics will suffer with no rosewood.
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And why can't Gibson get rosewood from the same source that Martin, PRS, Fender, Taylor and other US manufacturers use?
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Im glad I got my historic when I did.

If things keep going like this it might be a
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And why can't Gibson get rosewood from the same source that Martin, PRS, Fender, Taylor and other US manufacturers use?
I have been asking this same question since the problem has arrived.......
I think it is posturing, on Gibson's part, for some other purpose.

BTW, the Indian rule reads that if the thickness of a board is a given dimention, the finished product MUST me made by the hands of Indians....but, it is legal to buy and make things from the thinner thickness (vaneer) without having to be made by people in India.
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Yeah man, laminated wood sucks, you know.
So let's get rid of our ES-335,355 etc with laminated tops and backs and that crap piece of a guitar they call the Les Paul with it's laminated body of maple and mahogany..

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OK, so are 2011's definately safe? Or did they really start this strictly w/2012 models?
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OK, so are 2011's definately safe? Or did they really start this strictly w/2012 models?
The symtoms of asbestos exposure did not come to the surface for 20 or 30 years in many cases. We really do not know how safe these things are, which opens up some new concerns.
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And why can't Gibson get rosewood from the same source that Martin, PRS, Fender, Taylor and other US manufacturers use?
Not sure this info is true Tom but the rumors circulating around people I spoke with at NAMM is that Gibson uses thicker cut rosewood for the fingerboards than the other manufacturers which would explain why they are stacking it - like i said not sure if this is true.
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Yeah man, laminated wood sucks, you know.
So let's get rid of our ES-335,355 etc with laminated tops and backs and that crap piece of a guitar they call the Les Paul with it's laminated body of maple and mahogany..

sjeez..
Not the same..........
Now, if you are ok with TWO laminated pieces of maple on TOP of your mahogany body...then, I might have agreed.
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Not sure this info is true Tom but the rumors circulating around people I spoke with at NAMM is that Gibson uses thicker cut rosewood for the fingerboards than the other manufacturers which would explain why they are stacking it - like i said not sure if this is true.
That answer would explain it.

Perhaps thicker rosewood is the true key?
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Didn't the boards get thinner in 2009? Wasn't that one of the vintage specs that was new to the Historic line?

How thick are the boards, maybe 1/8"
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The symtoms of asbestos exposure did not come to the surface for 20 or 30 years in many cases. We really do not know how safe these things are, which opens up some new concerns.
Beer came out of my nose on this one. Well played.
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I find it very hard to believe that any form of rosewood is being grown in any part of Germany, much less northern Germany.
The only tropical forest I have seen in Germany is in the chocolate museum in Cologne.
Wasn't a german wood supplier part of what led to the first raid? I think they were supplying Gibson with rosewood of questionable origin and Gibson knew that and ordered from them intentionally.

Could it be capitalbear is referring to that incident?
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Not the same..........
Now, if you are ok with TWO laminated pieces of maple on TOP of your mahogany body...then, I might have agreed.
They actually are..
Centerseamed, so laminated lenghtwise
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Well, we've been paying more and more for better historically appointed guitars from Gibson. Probably too much even but it is what it is. Or was. Accepting lesser woods or scrap woods where tradionally solid pieces of higher grade wood have been used (and are still used on Korean made clones) is gonna bite us in the rear eventually. When good ol' Gibson *reintroduces* Solid Indian/Madagasgar Rosewood/Ebony fretboards we're going to be paying a similar premium over the scrap/baked maple fretboarded guitars that we currently pay for flamed vs. plain maple tops.

So yeah, it annoys me to hear guys cheerleading this new move by Gibson to use scraps and alternative woods. I am sick of hearing about how this is a wonderful move to make sure we have a Gibson product on the shelves. Why make it easy for Gibson to slip further and further away from the type of products that made them the great company the were?
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And why can't Gibson get rosewood from the same source that Martin, PRS, Fender, Taylor and other US manufacturers use?
Because you need to pay that source every once in a while ;)

Seriously, this is a really long standing question for me since the very first raid. It was very obvious that Gibson was not willing to go the extra mile when it came to source the harder to obtain woods for their range. They were trying to get away with cheaper sources ignoring the possibility of them being illegal. The aforementioned german supplier is a good example for that policy.

But literally any other maker can legally source rosewood in any quantity and thickness he/she wants. Gibson should be able to do as well if they want to or if money allows. It looks like it is more a question of what they are willing to pay for their wood.

There are currently many luthiers, replica makers and makeover artists who can even legally source brazilian rosewood and true honduran mahogany with all the required paperwork. So why can't Gibson?

I have no problem with them cutting costs for their USA Standard lines but a Custom Shop instrument should really be at least remotely in the line with other high-end manufacturers - at least for those prices...
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Not an original idea, but perhaps a New Improved Line of Supremely Correct Historics is in the wings .... with Supreme Pricing?
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And why can't Gibson get rosewood from the same source that Martin, PRS, Fender, Taylor and other US manufacturers use?
They can, but whoever is after them from the Feds is flyspecking everything they do and would probably declare this as "illegal" wood also. They don't want any more raids with guys in flak jackets and assault weapons.

No one is going to see or hear a difference with double stacked fretboards anyway. Anyone who insists otherwise is subject to a blindfolded A/B test to pick out the guitar with the double stacked fretboard.
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