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Old 11-25-10, 02:52 AM   #1
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Could the real Beano now resurface?

With all the attention brought on by the tribute model, maybe it will shake lose the real guitar.

I've read rumors of it still being in London, after the thief unsuccessfully tried to sell it in the '70s. There could not have been too many people who had access to the rehearsal space it was lifted from.

And it would be in Gibson and Clapton's financial interests to recover that guitar.
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

That would be cool.

I'd be happy with more pics of Clappo with it.
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Old 11-25-10, 03:45 AM   #3
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I can't see why that should happen. The guitar is pretty much undocumented and would be the perfect guitar to silently slip on the market without raising any flags. If that wasn't already the case.

If the thief still has it, he is the only one who knows what he has. The known photos of that guitar are to scarce and too bad to give it away even if somebody would actively try to prove it is the real thing.

I think I've read somewhere in this forum about some high quality pics of the Beano sessions which were destroyed in a fire. Now if we'd still have these or some copys would surface, this would change everything. But if Gibson and/or Clapton couldn't get hold of better pics of the guitar I suppose there ain't any and the current owner might not know what he has or if he does, he can't prove it. It would be just another Burst that would be eventually sold in the vintage market.
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Old 11-25-10, 06:09 AM   #4
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Isn't there a statute of limitations on theft and wouldn't the thief technically be the legitimate owner now?
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Old 11-25-10, 06:59 AM   #5
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

Gosh, with all the attention over the decades, at this point it probably is a goldtop with a Bigsby or something.

Seriously, refin, wipe the serial, and someone might own it today and not know it.

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And it would be in Gibson and Clapton's financial interests to recover that guitar.
Maybe not - if the production run is not a good resemblance to the original.
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Old 11-25-10, 07:21 AM   #7
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Isn't there a statute of limitations on theft and wouldn't the thief technically be the legitimate owner now?
In Germany (and most parts of the world) the theft itself would fall under a statue of limitations and the thief would not be sentenced to something. But the guitar would still be property of Eric Clapton. You can't gain property of something that was stolen. It renders every following contract obsolete which would leave innocent buyers with the financial loss. They would have a claim against the thief though...

Now having said that, I know the english law can be surprisingly different to what is common in the rest of the world. Any english lawyer around here? ;)
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Old 11-25-10, 07:58 AM   #8
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

Depends on each country's law. Also depends if the actual possessor knows it's stolen goods, according to many laws.
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

As much as I would like for that to happen......................


How could you possibly authenticate an "undocumented" vintage Les Paul without knowing the serial number? Some folks might say: "What about the original sales receipt"? Good luck finding that.

Even if the "owner" of the Beano Burst stepped forward and admitted he had it in his possession, his story would most likely be dismissed by the experts and authorities, since they require iron-clad proof to substantiate the claim.


NOT A CHANCE. NADA. NOPE. AIN'T GONNA' HAPPEN.


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Old 11-25-10, 08:02 AM   #10
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Gosh, with all the attention over the decades, at this point it probably is a goldtop with a Bigsby or something.
Maybe it's been Floyded in the 80s..

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Old 11-25-10, 08:04 AM   #11
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

I wish it would resurface. I'd love to see/hear Clapton play it again!

Can't imagine any financial downside for Gibson. A lot of their recreations of other famous guitars have inconsistencies from the originals. The stir caused by the reappearance of the Beano would only heighten interest in Gibson's version. In our 24 hour a day information/media age the news would be spread, and no doubt, pique the interest/curiosity of many who had never even heard of Beano. I'm not saying it would cause anyone (who had never heard of Beano) to buy one, but it would create a buzz. I see no down side for Gibson or Clapton if it does resurface.
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Old 11-25-10, 08:15 AM   #12
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

I asked this already in the Patty Boyd autobiography thread: In the 1990s she bought a 60s Burst as a memorabilia for her time with Eric and she still has the guitar.

Has anybody seen her Burst? Could it be Beano?
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Old 11-25-10, 09:26 AM   #13
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Jebus, if true, that would be a VERY interesting question to pose to Ms. Boyd!!
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Old 11-25-10, 09:40 AM   #14
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Could the Beano Burst re-surface?? I think Jimmy Hoffa re-surfacinig would be more likely.
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Old 11-25-10, 09:49 AM   #15
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Can't see that the situation has changed in the slightest ......
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Old 11-25-10, 09:52 AM   #16
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I think there were some discriminating marks near the bridge of the beano, and the double white/black pick ups could also be used as a sorce of ID, i think its a possibility, buttt i think its highly unlikely the guitar will ever come about, I would LOVE to see it, or hear clapton play it again but its just never gonna happen
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I could definitely see a few folks coming out of the woodwork claiming they stumbled upon Beano. And if the original thief still has the guitar, I think he could be tracked down by checking who had access to the rehearsal space that week.
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Depends on each country's law. Also depends if the actual possessor knows it's stolen goods, according to many laws.
In the UK, if someone handles stolen goods they are guilty even if they are ignorant of the fact that the goods were stolen. As in any case the circumstances would be taken into account, but ignorance is no defence.
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Re: Could the real Beano now resurface?

But I agree with Marshall1987, I don't know how Clapton could establish proof of ownership based on the photos I've seen, after this length of time.

I doubt he's even worried about getting it back, after all he parted company with Blackie and the cherry ES-335 after much longer relationships with both guitars, which he was obviously very attached to and bonded with over many years.
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Interesting thread but the likelihood that "the" thief at that time had any foresight that it would become a holy grail guitar 44 years later is ridiculous. This was a backstage, loading ramp job by a punk, most likely at a club or rehearsal space at a time when EC was a local (albeit popular with a small hip crowd) club act, before Cream and fame. That guitar was probably flipped for fast cash, then flipped again as a used guitar and soon any connection with EC was lost.

My guess is that Beano has been out there in circulation, unknowingly, perhaps modded or messed with, or maybe all intact, but impossible to confirm. Even EC himself has stated that he has little memory of it. The best detail that has surfaced is Peter Green's description in an interview that he recalled it had a narrow neck, and he would know the difference.

All we know is this:

1. Fairly plain top
2. Slim neck
3. Grovers
4. Double whites in neck position

Of the surviving Bursts that would narrow things down if in fact it was not modded.

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Those few photos of Beano that we all know were shot on medium format film and are quite high quality, they could easily provide a grain pattern, or unique nick details, to compare with should someone want to try to authenticate.

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Old 11-26-10, 07:04 PM   #24
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I'm still rolling the dice and saying it's in Gibsons possession and this will be some kind of grand unveiling/rediscovering.
Hey, it could happen!
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I'm still rolling the dice and saying it's in Gibsons possession and this will be some kind of grand unveiling/rediscovering.
Hey, it could happen!
Ain't happening....although I'd like it to.
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Old 11-26-10, 10:37 PM   #26
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That guitar could be absolutely anywhere now... but there is a member who believes he knew where it once was and I have no reason to doubt him.

Regardless, even if Gibson had the original to use for reference, the signature reissues will only ever be in the ballpark.
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That guitar could be absolutely anywhere now... but there is a member who believes he knew where it once was and I have no reason to doubt him.

Regardless, even if Gibson had the original to use for reference, the signature reissues will only ever be in the ballpark.
There's the truth right there. You look at the neck measurements for the Green/Moore/Franks axes and no two are the same. It's a joke. Whether the Franks or the Beano, I'd just get the one that had the best neck and the lightest weight I could find.
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That guitar could be absolutely anywhere now... but there is a member who believes he knew where it once was and I have no reason to doubt him.

Okay Chris,so can this be divulged.....where it once was?
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The rumor I've heard on the interwebs is it is in the hands of a Londoner who once had access to Cream's first rehearsal space. He tried to unload it in the 70s, but suspicious collectors asked him questions and he cut out the sales effort.

He has supposedly shown it to a few friends who are sworn to secrecy. Somewhere along the line, a refin to black may have occurred.
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There's the truth right there. You look at the neck measurements for the Green/Moore/Franks axes and no two are the same. It's a joke. Whether the Franks or the Beano, I'd just get the one that had the best neck and the lightest weight I could find.

I seriously doubt they would be exact even if they had the actual beano guitar. I recently seen one of the Clapton '64 ES-335 reissues and some of the specs on it were way off when compared to pics of the original. And they HAD the original to copy when they made those. On the one I seen the f-hole positioning was wrong, the toggle switch positioning was off by at least an inch and the pickguard must have been smaller because it was farther away from the cutaway than the original's was. If the pickguard wasn't smaller then something else was askew for it to be farther away from the cutaway like that. I'm guessing that not all of the Clapton 335s had those issues though. That being said, I love custom shop Gibsons.
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The rumor I've heard on the interwebs is it is in the hands of a Londoner who once had access to Cream's first rehearsal space. He tried to unload it in the 70s, but suspicious collectors asked him questions and he cut out the sales effort.

He has supposedly shown it to a few friends who are sworn to secrecy. Somewhere along the line, a refin to black may have occurred.


Now if one of his 'few friends' were to dob him in???
Thanks for that info 57.
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Okay Chris,so can this be divulged.....where it once was?
In London Steve, and as 57GoldTopAztec mentioned, there are supposedly a number of people who know of its whereabouts. I heard that the person who stole the guitar sold it and the person who bought it has had it in his possession ever since.
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In London Steve, and as 57GoldTopAztec mentioned, there are supposedly a number of people who know of its whereabouts. I heard that the person who stole the guitar sold it and the person who bought it has had it in his possession ever since.
And I suppose he knows it's Beano. Did he do the black refin?
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I know nothing about a black refin hoss, and this person moved away from London years ago so I assume he probably hasn't heard anything himself since the 80's. FWIW he was active in the music scene there at the time and the other people who knew of the guitar's whereabouts were also muso's... that's all I know.
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I know of one extremely strong candidate for being the Beano, but there was no way to actually confirm it. There will never be a way to say, with 100% certainty, that a given guitar is THE Beano. No owner is going to publicly claim that their guitar is the one, because the possibility of forfeiture is too high. We've all heard rumors of this and that, but it's never come to light, and never will, simply because there's no way to prove it, and no one with that guitar would want it proven.
Didn't Bernie Marsden reckon that one of his 'Burst's was the Beano? I'm sure I've heard that story a few times some years ago?
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In the UK, if someone handles stolen goods they are guilty even if they are ignorant of the fact that the goods were stolen. As in any case the circumstances would be taken into account, but ignorance is no defence.
Under italian law for example, you become the rightful owner of an item, even if stolen, thanks to the uninterrupted possess of it for the course of 20 years and the premise that you acquired it not knowing that it was either stolen o someone else's.
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Its kinda strange to me that it was stolen during rehearsals/at a rehearsal space. That place couldn't have been common knowledge in such a large city...
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Did the original have any flame on it at all. All the pics I have seen of it shows that its a plaintop, without any "subtle flame."
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In the U.K. the stolen item remains the property of the original purchaser for life. There is no statue on limitations on stolen goods.
So, the guitar still technically belongs to Eric and the person who stole it can still be prosecuted for as long as he lives as can the person who bought the stolen item.
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