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Old 11-09-10, 02:07 PM   #1
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Es 335 vs Es 330

Hi

How does the es335 compare against the Es 330.

I was told that the Es 330 is a students instrument is this correct?
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Old 11-09-10, 02:14 PM   #2
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Re: Es 335 vs Es 330

"Student" instrument is an unfair characterization of an ES-330.

They are very different guitars... hollow vs. semi-hollow... humbuckers vs. P-90s. They just do very different things. I have both and like both a lot, but they don't do the same things.

For most modern blues/rock playing, the 335 is probably preferable, particularly at higher volumes. But everyone should try a 330 at some point. There are some really good sounds to be had from them that you simply won't get out of a 335.

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Old 11-09-10, 02:36 PM   #3
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Re: Es 335 vs Es 330

What is the es330 best at?

What can it do that the es335 can?
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Old 11-09-10, 02:50 PM   #4
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Re: Es 335 vs Es 330

Go here to Gregor Hildens youtube channel for some demos. Click the little link that says See All and you will be able to do a search. Search for ES-330 and ES-335. He also has demos of many other guitars.

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Old 11-09-10, 03:54 PM   #5
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Re: Es 335 vs Es 330

Just to be clear, the ES-335 is the semi-hollow body, and the lower line ES-330 is the hollow body.

As to "what can they do"?
That is up to you.


But the ES-335 [semi-hollow] can handle louder volume without feedback.
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Old 11-09-10, 06:56 PM   #6
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Hi

How does the es335 compare against the Es 330.

I was told that the Es 330 is a students instrument is this correct?
They may look similar but they are two completely different guitars.

Why would you want to compare a semi-hollow to a full hollow guitar?

Who ever told you that the ES330 was a students guitar is a bit mis-guided.

Mine.

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Old 11-11-10, 07:34 AM   #7
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So the Es 330 is a jazz guitar really?
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Old 11-11-10, 08:17 AM   #8
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Re: Es 335 vs Es 330

It's a guitar.

You can play jazz on it. Play country on it. Play rock 'n' roll on it. Play blues on it.

Listen to Grant Green. Listen to Amos Garret on the original Midnight at the Oasis by Maria Muldaur. Listen to the Beatles on bunches of stuff using their Epiphone Casinos, pretty much the same guitar. Listen to Phil X doing a screaming rock thing on a 330T.

I am not trying to be a a-hole here, it's just that you seem to want simple answers where there are none.

If I could only have one guitar, it would not be an ES-330. But it is a great guitar to have available because a good one has a really cool sound all its own.
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Old 11-11-10, 08:26 AM   #9
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So the Es 330 is a jazz guitar really?
No, it is whatever you want it to be, for me it is a great guitar to cut through the mix and play through a nice small tube amp cranked.
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It's a guitar.

You can play jazz on it. Play country on it. Play rock 'n' roll on it. Play blues on it.

Listen to Grant Green. Listen to Amos Garret on the original Midnight at the Oasis by Maria Muldaur. Listen to the Beatles on bunches of stuff using their Epiphone Casinos, pretty much the same guitar. Listen to Phil X doing a screaming rock thing on a 330T.

I am not trying to be a a-hole here, it's just that you seem to want simple answers where there are none.

If I could only have one guitar, it would not be an ES-330. But it is a great guitar to have available because a good one has a really cool sound all its own.
Tom, pretty sure Amos G used an Epiphone Sheraton on the Midnight at the Oasis cut.
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Tom, pretty sure Amos G used an Epiphone Sheraton on the Midnight at the Oasis cut.
I always thought so too but here is a quote from Arlen Roth on the Gibson site...
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It was Amos Garrett’s choice for “Midnight at the Oasis,” as he borrowed a beautiful tobacco-burst one back in the ‘70s from David Nichtern, the song’s composer, for those classic licks on that recording. I personally had always thought it was played on the Epiphone Sheraton I had seen him play back in Woodstock during that time, but he later told me it was the 330, when we were playing a show together.
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It was not considered a student instrument in Gibson's line. It was almost three times the price of the entry level or student ES-125. The 330 is a much more "bluesy" sounding guitar with a ton of personality to my ear. Here's a soundclip with a 335 (ES-345 wired as 335), followed by an ES-330, followed by a Les Paul. This should give you an idea of the voice compared to other Gibsons.

0:00 - 1:05 1964 SG Standard
0:32 - 1:05 1964 ES-345 (wired to 335)
1:06 - 1:36 1959 ES-330 specs
1:37 - 2:08 1950's PAF Les Paul

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...howPlayer=true


This is the '59 ES-330 you are hearing:
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The 330 was hardly a lesser model, just lower on the number chain. I have a '66 ES-335, had a '65 ES-330. As noted above, completely different instruments except for the thinline shape and similar look.

The 330 can do whatever you want. It can be a handfull with feedback in loud situations, though there are ways to mitigate that. And yes it can do jazz very well. Woodier souding than a semi-hollow. It's a light, resonant instrument. Sweet tones from those P-90s make this model one of the inevitable choices for P-90 fans.

Whether it works as well, better or less well than a 335 comes down to personal preference. My vote goes to the 335, in part due to the simply beautiful tones from those HB p/us in my '66. The other factor for me was ergonomics. The earlier ES-330s had less neck clear of the body than the later ones. I couldn't get used to the right-hand position on my '65. In terms of feel, tone and that indefineable "vibe" factor, that 330 was the equal of my 335.
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I always thought so too but here is a quote from Arlen Roth on the Gibson site...


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I remember clearly Amos G. talking about using the EPI in a Guitar Player interview in the 70's. Well, it was the 70's, so maybe "clearly" isn't the right word, but...

And I'm not trying to take away anything from the 330, which is a guitar I love.
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Very interesting! The Flying V and Firebird are at the end I guess? Did the player set pickups and tone to taste and let it rip or did he go for similar settings for each guitar?
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Very interesting! The Flying V and Firebird are at the end I guess? Did the player set pickups and tone to taste and let it rip or did he go for similar settings for each guitar?
The guitars were all played with bridge pickup wide open, the little Supro amp was wide open on all guitars as well. It just had a single volume knob and no tone control. No changes were made except to change guitars. Yes. the Firebird is last but the guitar that you guess as the Flying V is a 1957 ES-350T with PAF's. Two things I came away with particular experiment were #1, how many preconceived misconceptions we have about guitar models just assuming what they would sound like because of the shape or construction and #2, the little Supro revealed infinitely more character differences in voices than "higher quality" amps with more headroom and fidelity would. I did similar tests on blackface, Marshall and Komet amps and the differences are hugely more subtle. Just the opposite of what I would have thought...

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Old 11-15-10, 10:20 AM   #17
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I've owned both, played both and there really is no simple answer.
For my body type, the 330 was slightly more comfortable and the limited neck access is just a feature you have to live with.
As side by side comparison is sometimes difficult since the 335 is generally louder, but the P-90 tones are to die for.
Both just drip with Tone and each has an amp it sounds better with and a song it sounds better on.
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If I I learned one thing from this thread, it's that j45 can make any wood sound fantastic! I'm a 335 fan, but the P-90's in a 330 can sound awfully good too.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...rtesyBEG06.jpg
Does this look to you like the 1968 (and later) version that joins the neck to the body at the 19th fret?
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Does this look to you like the 1968 (and later) version that joins the neck to the body at the 19th fret?
No. Earlier version.
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Does this look to you like the 1968 (and later) version that joins the neck to the body at the 19th fret?


I counted 17 - do I win a prize?
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I counted 17 - do I win a prize?
Yes, tooold, you do win a prize. You get to say where the neck joins the body on this one :
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Count again tooold....that would be 16...no prize my man.
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I'm back on the hunt for a 330 or casino with an original bigsby, and I think I can get one for under $4k if I hunt around. Anyone have thoughts on this one?

http://www.gbase.com/gear/byid?item=2807475#

I've asked about the neck width. Bigsby is supposedly original...
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Monkton Guitars in Boulder, CO has a couple 330's listed. One has an added Bigsby. I've posted these before. They've been there for some time.
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Gratuitous photo of my new '59 ES330T... I'm in love.

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Wow! Beautiful guitar. I bet that thing feels amazing. I've had three '59 330TD's but never the single. I've always been intrigued by those. I'd love to hear one.
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I'm back on the hunt for a 330 or casino with an original bigsby, and I think I can get one for under $4k if I hunt around. Anyone have thoughts on this one?

http://www.gbase.com/gear/byid?item=2807475#

I've asked about the neck width. Bigsby is supposedly original...
For that kind of money you really should wait for a nice pre-64 to come along IMO. Without going through all the regular stuff I can promise there's a better chance it will be a really special guitar. I've had one and played a few other post '64's that were awesome but the earlier pickups and over all builds are consistently better before. I personally would look on Ebay and not at dealers....but that's another can 'o worms....
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I counted 17 - do I win a prize?
Does that look like a 17 degree headstock angle?
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Thanks for the intel. Supposedly that '65 on gbase has a wide neck, but I'm going to take j45's advice and take it slow and see if anything pre-65 comes along in the next week or two.

(And just when I think I've narrowed it down, I see another nice P90 guitar that looks terrific...
http://www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-sg-...l-1962-white-1
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Thanks for the intel. Supposedly that '65 on gbase has a wide neck, but I'm going to take j45's advice and take it slow and see if anything pre-65 comes along in the next week or two.

(And just when I think I've narrowed it down, I see another nice P90 guitar that looks terrific...
http://www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-sg-...l-1962-white-1
Ouch! That's nice. You've hit two of my favorite P-90 guitars.

One thought - during the frenzy, I bought a '59 ES-330 with a non-original Bigsby for a little more than that SG. I would think that if you're willing to accept a couple of extra screw holes, you can hit your price target with a little patience. I'd rather have an SG Junior and a nice 330 than a Special and a less nice 330. And Juniors are getting very affordable. Kerry?

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Gratuitous pic of a trio of 59s...



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The guitars were all played with bridge pickup wide open, the little Supro amp was wide open on all guitars as well. It just had a single volume knob and no tone control. No changes were made except to change guitars.
Two things I came away with particular experiment were #1, how many preconceived misconceptions we have about guitar models just assuming what they would sound like because of the shape or construction and #2, the little Supro revealed infinitely more character differences in voices than "higher quality" amps with more headroom and fidelity would. I did similar tests on blackface, Marshall and Komet amps and the differences are hugely more subtle. Just the opposite of what I would have thought...
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Thanks for the intel. Supposedly that '65 on gbase has a wide neck, but I'm going to take j45's advice and take it slow and see if anything pre-65 comes along in the next week or two.

(And just when I think I've narrowed it down, I see another nice P90 guitar that looks terrific...
http://www.gbase.com/gear/gibson-sg-...l-1962-white-1
Those are great guitars and some great sounds have come from them. I find it hard to get a good sounding one myself. I always prefer a guitar with P-90's in the standard "Gibson" position of the harmonic scale. The P-90's on those SG Specials are very close together and do not give as sweet a sound in the neck and middle position as the typical placement on most Gibsons. I think they shifted the neck P-90 back towards the bridge pickup and out of the normal position in the harmonic scale to keep the neck joint a little more stable. It may work for the neck joint but the sound suffers (to my ear). The neck pickup is more midrangey and less sweet than the typical position and the middle position always sounds a little phasey to me. I would take an early 60's or '59 330 any day over an SG Special for "tone". The upside of the Special is that they can be played on a really loud Marshall with less feedback.
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Thanks, I'm not a Marshall guy - Vox and Ampeg - but I like to play with everything wide open. I have also had a hard time finding a Special that sounds good in all pickup positions, and maybe your observations have something to do with that...
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Posted this in the Baywatch section, but throwing it here too. Looks nice to me, although I don't love that "spoon" trem, but I'd live with it:

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