Off-set Tailpiece STUDS - Page 2

J.D. · 05-19-10, 06:56 PM

1-piece

marshall1987 · 05-20-10, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by J.D.

1-piece

That being the case, It looks like they have to start the process with a much larger steel blank, and cut it down to size on a lathe. Cool.

J.D. · 05-20-10, 06:32 AM

Yes, for the "offset" stud, the steel billet is larger and the machining is much more complicated and time consuming (vs. the "standard" stud)

JoeShell1110 · 05-20-10, 01:06 PM

When I first got my 2006 R0 the TP was way off. It lined up almost directly into the Bridge Vol knob. I had the right side stud hole doweled, redrilled and moved 1/16th up and it was STILL off. Now I am getting two of these to move the TP up another 1/16th toward the bridge. I can't use just one as the angle would be too noticeable now.

Mars Hall · 05-21-10, 06:09 AM

I think it would look good on my R7. From the angle of this picture, the current stud placement has the illusion of being uneven the opposite way. I have the original studs and TP on it right now, it'll be interesting to see how the tone is affected by using the steel.

J.D. · 05-21-10, 06:49 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing more photos of these installed and feedback, tone reports, etc.

On a related note, seeing Mars Hall's avitar, were the stop tailpieces slightly angled on the '50s ES-3x5 guitars like the Les Pauls? These would also probably work great on reissue ES guitars

Mars Hall · 05-21-10, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.D.

I'm looking forward to seeing more photos of these installed and feedback, tone reports, etc.

On a related note, seeing Mars Hall's avitar, were the stop tailpieces slightly angled on the '50s ES-3x5 guitars like the Les Pauls? These would also probably work great on reissue ES guitars

Measuring top and bottom, this 63 345 TP is slanted, compared to the PU, using this photo. I'll measure the actual guitar when I get a chance.

Cream Fan · 05-21-10, 10:34 AM

You cannot use the pickup placement on a vintage guitar as a frame of reference, as they are not always placed perpendicular to the center line of the guitar. The bridge pickup on my '61 SG/LP--stock from the factory--is PARALLEL with the bridge. In short, it's WAY off. You need to measure from the center line with a protractor. That will tell you for sure. By the way, the bridge pickup on that 345 is pretty far off, too. That's what happened back then with their factory-made jigs.

Chef Greg · 05-22-10, 06:46 PM

I put mine on today and it looks & sounds great! -- I'm very satisfied. Thanks Kim & Kev !!

TM1 · 05-22-10, 09:46 PM

My 2002 R-0 with the Off-Set Studs:

Mars Hall · 05-23-10, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chef Greg

I put mine on today and it looks & sounds great! -- I'm very satisfied. Thanks Kim & Kev !!

Did you already have steel studs? If so, did you hear any difference?

Chef Greg · 05-23-10, 04:28 AM

I had the stock Historic Gibson studs -- I have a gig today & that will really tell the tale.

MIKE20 · 05-23-10, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TM1

My 2002 R-0 with the Off-Set Studs:

...

looks great...

good thing I grabbed a few sets...I'll have to do at least a couple of mine....

dwagar · 05-23-10, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TM1

My 2002 R-0 with the Off-Set Studs:

I agree, looks really good. Mine should be here this week.

Black58 · 05-23-10, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TM1

Blister maple, SWEET!!

TM1 · 05-23-10, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Black58

Blister maple, SWEET!!

Sounds pretty nice too!
I need a set of gold for my R-7 Custom...

pinefd · 05-23-10, 01:53 PM

I bought three sets of these, and I love them! I've got two sets already installed...and here's one of them:

The only negative is...they make me realize how inadequate the rest of the hardware and plastic is on this guitar. Upgrade time!

Frank

Mars Hall · 05-23-10, 02:11 PM

Bravo everyone.

It really is a small detail but is so visually pleasing.

J.D. · 05-23-10, 02:19 PM

Looks awesome Frank!

tuberide · 05-23-10, 04:42 PM

Thanks J.D. for having the insight and guts to get these offset studs into production.

J.D. · 05-23-10, 04:50 PM

Thanks for the compliment. I thought it was a cool idea and hoped others would as well. It was quite a bit of work to nail down all the details and get them done "right" but thanks to working with Kim I think they came out great. I'm really happy to see that the feedback on them has been mainly positive.

MIKE20 · 05-24-10, 08:06 AM

I had no problem (even with the topwrapping) with changing one of mine out other than the '59 studs are no longer in this guitar.

flameburst · 05-26-10, 05:41 PM

Two sets arrived through my letterbox today. I've put them on both my '03's and they certainly help with the illusion of a more 'correct' stud placement on the pre-09 historics. I was able to screw the offset studs right down to the metal on both of mine. The studs don't seem to suck any tone either... which is nice.

Good job guys!

Black58 · 05-29-10, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pinefd

Sir, that top is just plain VILE!!!!!!!!!

bigsby'd · 05-29-10, 12:04 PM

I'm just gonna use offset knobs.

pepejara · 06-05-10, 12:53 PM

As someone mentioned, I would like to know if (intonation wise) could be possible to put a set of those in my 54 GT RI, I would love to have the wraparound pigtail bridge with more "correct" angle, but I don´t know if I will be able to intonate the guitar...

And one more related question: wich of the two studs would you change with the offset one?

J.D. · 06-05-10, 01:10 PM

On the wraptail you would also put the offset on the treble side

FlyingNotes · 06-05-10, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pinefd

I bought three sets of these, and I love them! I've got two sets already installed...and here's one of them:

The only negative is...they make me realize how inadequate the rest of the hardware and plastic is on this guitar. Upgrade time!

Frank

Frank,

I'm not into "tops," and I don't have the impression that you posted for that reason either. However, I really enjoy the appearance of your Paul in this thread. The guitar is interesting and authentic - very nice.

Kim
The other..

pinefd · 06-05-10, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by J.D.

Looks awesome Frank!

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Originally Posted by Black58

Sir, that top is just plain VILE!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by FlyingNotes

Frank,

I'm not into "tops," and I don't have the impression that you posted for that reason either. However, I really enjoy the appearance of your Paul in this thread. The guitar is interesting and authentic - very nice.

Kim
The other..

Thanks guys! I'm kinda partial to this one too. I have my share of rare and unique guitars, ones with very nice flame and old looking ones, but this one just seems to have it all. I feel very fortunate.

Frank

pepejara · 06-06-10, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by J.D.

On the wraptail you would also put the offset on the treble side

Ordered!

dwagar · 06-06-10, 02:33 PM

I like it, I just changed the one stud, left the longer (50s) one in the bass side.

flameburst · 06-10-10, 10:08 AM

They work well on this one.

J.D. · 06-10-10, 10:10 AM

Smokin'

Mars Hall · 06-19-10, 12:41 PM

Ordered mine today, Happy Father's Day to me!

Scarab · 06-20-10, 12:33 AM

How about putting both offset studs on a R4?
The angle looks so big on the old ones.

J.D. · 06-20-10, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepejara

As someone mentioned, I would like to know if (intonation wise) could be possible to put a set of those in my 54 GT RI, I would love to have the wraparound pigtail bridge with more "correct" angle, but I don´t know if I will be able to intonate the guitar...

And one more related question: wich of the two studs would you change with the offset one?

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.D.

On the wraptail you would also put the offset on the treble side

Mars Hall · 07-12-10, 08:09 PM

Still waiting for my studs. After the first week went by and they hadn't arrived, I emailed, they replied they were waiting on a batch of the straight studs. It is now the beginning the 4th week of waiting and both of my last 2 emails have gone unanswered. Anyone privy to what going on with them? From all that I've read on this forum, they have a very good reputation. I don't mind waiting, but the unanswered emails have me a little nervous.

kthesheep · 07-12-10, 08:22 PM

Mars, Sorry for the delay. It has been frustrating for us as well.
The Studs should have been in by now. We do expect them any day now.

I'm just not sure why you haven't received any of our correspondence.
If you wish to contact us direct please email: info@historicmakeovers.com or call 407-314-6939

Mars Hall · 07-12-10, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kthesheep

Mars, Sorry for the delay. It has been frustrating for us as well.
The Studs should have been in by now. We do expect them any day now.

I'm just not sure why you haven't received any of our correspondence.
If you wish to contact us direct please email: info@historicmakeovers.com or call 407-314-6939

Thanks Kim, I thought it "out of character" to not get a response. I sent my last 2 emails as a "reply" to your last response. Maybe that has something to do with it. I only do it that way so someone could easily review the other emails, if needed.

As long as I know you're still working on it I'm all good. Thanks again!

comwave · 07-14-10, 02:57 AM

Sorry

Could someone please supply the Link to the online store?

SC

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05-19-10, 06:56 PM	#41
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS 1-piece

05-20-10, 06:32 AM	#43
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Yes, for the "offset" stud, the steel billet is larger and the machining is much more complicated and time consuming (vs. the "standard" stud)

05-20-10, 01:06 PM	#44
JoeShell1110 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS When I first got my 2006 R0 the TP was way off. It lined up almost directly into the Bridge Vol knob. I had the right side stud hole doweled, redrilled and moved 1/16th up and it was STILL off. Now I am getting two of these to move the TP up another 1/16th toward the bridge. I can't use just one as the angle would be too noticeable now.

05-21-10, 06:09 AM	#45
Mars Hall Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Region Posts: 677	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I think it would look good on my R7. From the angle of this picture, the current stud placement has the illusion of being uneven the opposite way. I have the original studs and TP on it right now, it'll be interesting to see how the tone is affected by using the steel. __________________ "What's that man movin' cross the stage? It looks a lot like the one used by Jimmy Page..." Paul McCartney

05-21-10, 06:49 AM	#46
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I'm looking forward to seeing more photos of these installed and feedback, tone reports, etc. On a related note, seeing Mars Hall's avitar, were the stop tailpieces slightly angled on the '50s ES-3x5 guitars like the Les Pauls? These would also probably work great on reissue ES guitars

05-21-10, 10:34 AM	#48
Cream Fan Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,761	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS You cannot use the pickup placement on a vintage guitar as a frame of reference, as they are not always placed perpendicular to the center line of the guitar. The bridge pickup on my '61 SG/LP--stock from the factory--is PARALLEL with the bridge. In short, it's WAY off. You need to measure from the center line with a protractor. That will tell you for sure. By the way, the bridge pickup on that 345 is pretty far off, too. That's what happened back then with their factory-made jigs.

05-22-10, 06:46 PM	#49
Chef Greg In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Ozarks... there's gold in them hills... Posts: 5,797	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I put mine on today and it looks & sounds great! -- I'm very satisfied. Thanks Kim & Kev !! __________________ "Every man must do two things alone -- he must do his own believing and do his own dying".................... Martin Luther, Eisleben Be Kinder than necessary........for everyone you meet today is fighting some kind of battle.

05-22-10, 09:46 PM	#50
TM1 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on the middle & bridge pickup of my L.P. Custom Posts: 2,573	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS My 2002 R-0 with the Off-Set Studs:

05-23-10, 04:28 AM	#52
Chef Greg In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Ozarks... there's gold in them hills... Posts: 5,797	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I had the stock Historic Gibson studs -- I have a gig today & that will really tell the tale. __________________ "Every man must do two things alone -- he must do his own believing and do his own dying".................... Martin Luther, Eisleben Be Kinder than necessary........for everyone you meet today is fighting some kind of battle.

05-23-10, 01:53 PM	#57
pinefd All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,856	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I bought three sets of these, and I love them! I've got two sets already installed...and here's one of them: The only negative is...they make me realize how inadequate the rest of the hardware and plastic is on this guitar. Upgrade time! Frank

05-23-10, 02:11 PM	#58
Mars Hall Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Region Posts: 677	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Bravo everyone. It really is a small detail but is so visually pleasing. __________________ "What's that man movin' cross the stage? It looks a lot like the one used by Jimmy Page..." Paul McCartney

05-23-10, 02:19 PM	#59
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Looks awesome Frank!

05-23-10, 04:42 PM	#60
tuberide Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Eastern Shore of Virginia Posts: 1,108	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Thanks J.D. for having the insight and guts to get these offset studs into production.

05-23-10, 04:50 PM	#61
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Thanks for the compliment. I thought it was a cool idea and hoped others would as well. It was quite a bit of work to nail down all the details and get them done "right" but thanks to working with Kim I think they came out great. I'm really happy to see that the feedback on them has been mainly positive.

05-24-10, 08:06 AM	#62
MIKE20 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: land of Reflectors Posts: 6,793	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I had no problem (even with the topwrapping) with changing one of mine out other than the '59 studs are no longer in this guitar.

05-26-10, 05:41 PM	#63
flameburst Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 194	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Two sets arrived through my letterbox today. I've put them on both my '03's and they certainly help with the illusion of a more 'correct' stud placement on the pre-09 historics. I was able to screw the offset studs right down to the metal on both of mine. The studs don't seem to suck any tone either... which is nice. Good job guys! __________________ MY THREE HISTORICS 1997 - R9 Monster top: "THE WILD ONE" 2003 - R9 Yamano Ultra-aged Murphy: "OL' TANG" 2003 - R0 Brazilian (First production model): "DOUBLE 07" aka "LUCKY SEVEN"

05-29-10, 12:04 PM	#65
bigsby'd Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 361	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I'm just gonna use offset knobs.

06-05-10, 12:53 PM	#66
pepejara All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Murcia, Spain Posts: 2,102	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS As someone mentioned, I would like to know if (intonation wise) could be possible to put a set of those in my 54 GT RI, I would love to have the wraparound pigtail bridge with more "correct" angle, but I don´t know if I will be able to intonate the guitar... And one more related question: wich of the two studs would you change with the offset one? __________________ Wait a minute, mister, I didn´t even kiss her...

06-05-10, 01:10 PM	#67
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS On the wraptail you would also put the offset on the treble side

06-06-10, 02:33 PM	#71
dwagar Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Calgary, but I don't play country music! Posts: 4,055	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS I like it, I just changed the one stud, left the longer (50s) one in the bass side. __________________ - Don "Now God please help me, oh I think I'm goin' sane."

06-10-10, 10:08 AM	#72
flameburst Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 194	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS They work well on this one. __________________ MY THREE HISTORICS 1997 - R9 Monster top: "THE WILD ONE" 2003 - R9 Yamano Ultra-aged Murphy: "OL' TANG" 2003 - R0 Brazilian (First production model): "DOUBLE 07" aka "LUCKY SEVEN"

06-10-10, 10:10 AM	#73
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,271	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Smokin'

06-19-10, 12:41 PM	#74
Mars Hall Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Region Posts: 677	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Ordered mine today, Happy Father's Day to me! __________________ "What's that man movin' cross the stage? It looks a lot like the one used by Jimmy Page..." Paul McCartney

06-20-10, 12:33 AM	#75
Scarab Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 170	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS How about putting both offset studs on a R4? The angle looks so big on the old ones.

07-12-10, 08:09 PM	#77
Mars Hall Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Region Posts: 677	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Still waiting for my studs. After the first week went by and they hadn't arrived, I emailed, they replied they were waiting on a batch of the straight studs. It is now the beginning the 4th week of waiting and both of my last 2 emails have gone unanswered. Anyone privy to what going on with them? From all that I've read on this forum, they have a very good reputation. I don't mind waiting, but the unanswered emails have me a little nervous. __________________ "What's that man movin' cross the stage? It looks a lot like the one used by Jimmy Page..." Paul McCartney

07-12-10, 08:22 PM	#78
kthesheep Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Lake Mary, Florida Posts: 2,007	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Mars, Sorry for the delay. It has been frustrating for us as well. The Studs should have been in by now. We do expect them any day now. I'm just not sure why you haven't received any of our correspondence. If you wish to contact us direct please email: info@historicmakeovers.com or call 407-314-6939 __________________ Kim

07-14-10, 02:57 AM	#80
comwave Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 276	Re: Off-set Tailpiece STUDS Sorry Could someone please supply the Link to the online store? SC Last edited by comwave : 07-14-10 at 04:27 PM.