Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM

GastonG · 01-15-09, 05:54 PM

Thanks to Dealer's boulevard Matt's Music Center

Rumbling_Groover · 01-15-09, 06:03 PM

Cool.

esembe · 01-15-09, 06:07 PM

SICK ...is #2's necak actually like that? Or is that some sort of lame fade/worn look?

Guitar Whiskey · 01-15-09, 06:09 PM

Educate me; what's the shading at the transition at the headstock and heel? Also it says "coming soon"; what does this mean?

GastonG · 01-15-09, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by esembe

SICK ...is #2's necak actually like that? Or is that some sort of lame fade/worn look?

to simulate neck break repairs (2 at least...)

Rumbling_Groover · 01-15-09, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GastonG

to simulate neck break repairs (2 at least...)

Any news on the switching?

J.D. · 01-15-09, 06:24 PM

That is a really lame display. What is with all of the Gibson secrecy this year? What are we in grade school??? Is 2009, maybe tell your customers what products you are offering for 2009. Hello?

vintage58 · 01-15-09, 06:25 PM

Whoa, the top on that one is a true work of art.... in terms of perfection, kinda reminds me of the Mona Lisa:

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moonweasel · 01-15-09, 08:04 PM

I think its a great tease actually.

Fixxxer · 01-15-09, 09:16 PM

What is #2?

les strat · 01-15-09, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixxxer

What is #2?

a) Taking a shit
b) silver medal
c) Jimmy's second string 1959 burst with a bit darker top

FlyingNotes · 01-15-09, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by les strat

a) Taking a shit
b) silver medal
c) Jimmy's second string 1959 burst with a bit darker top

Greco · 01-16-09, 12:08 AM

Here's hoping

Axel · 01-16-09, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vintage58

Whoa, the top on that one is a true work of art.... in terms of perfection, kinda reminds me of the Mona Lisa:

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I really appreciate this kind of humour.

dukeastaire · 01-16-09, 01:39 AM

So what are the odds that we'll see an uncovered Double White pickup in it?

Rumbling_Groover · 01-16-09, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by vintage58

Whoa, the top on that one is a true work of art.... in terms of perfection, kinda reminds me of the Mona Lisa:

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No that's the Scream by Edvard Munch. Anyone can see that ;0)

Greco · 01-16-09, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dukeastaire

So what are the odds that we'll see an uncovered Double White pickup in it?

I'd say that it wouldn't be a #2 replica without it. Page still had the uncovered double white in the bridge for the o2 gig so it's safe to assume it's still there.

Which brings me to question what do we actually know about this guitar?

1959 Gibson Les Paul "No. 2"
#2 was a '59 Burst (Serial# 91703) which Page is believed to have bought sometime shortly after the '73 US tour in England. The guitar didn't make an appearance until January 1975, and would only be used this year except for a noise solo at Knebworth. #2 was the Kashmir guitar in 1975, not the Danelectro. It was also sometimes used for Dazed and Confused, Moby Dick, and Over the Hills and Far Away. You can see Kashmir, Over the Hills and Far Away and Moby Dick performances with #2 at Earls Court in '75.

This is NOT the ex-Joe Walsh guitar. Where this idea got started I don't quite know for sure but most likely it stems from the confusion over the year of #1. During a interview in 1977 Page was asked about his main Les Paul; he replys with it being a '59 and how he got it from Joe Walsh. Considering the idea how many people thought his #1 was a '58 early on, it's likely they thought #2 was the Walsh guitar because it was a confirmed '59 and Page says he got the '59 from Walsh not realizing Jimmy was referring to his #1.

I mentioned the white PAF in #1 earlier, well on #2 the bridge pickup cover was also sometimes off revealing yet another white PAF. Many people think this is #1 when it's seen without the cover because of the white PAF, not realizing the white PAF in #1 was just replaced. The neck was also shaved to replicate the same profile that was on #1.

Number 2's wiring
#2 IS the one that had the under-pickguard switches for series/parallel and phase switching which were installed in the early 80's, not during Led Zeppelin. Supposedly the switches were painted white at one point. 4 push pulls were also installed to add the ability of coil splitting each pickup and the option of putting all 4 coils in parallel. The wiring mods were done by Steve Hoyland.

January 1975
Sound check in Minneapolis

March 1975 - The LA Forum.
Note the more extreme flame compared to #1. One of the easiest ways to tell the two guitars apart.

1980's
The pickguard switches. Credit goes to huw from Royal Orleans for scanning the photo!

December 2007 - London, the O2
Last year at the reunion show

Both Number 1 and Number 2 side by side in 1982.

So the reissues would need to at least have:

1. Double white bridge pickup uncovered.
2. We know it has Grovers.
2. Darkburst/Dark cherry finish.
3. Neck carve matching #1.
4. All the phase switching doo-dahs. (Doubt we'll get the pickguard switches though.)

Sounds pretty sweet!

Ad_02Std · 01-16-09, 05:07 AM

Like I said in the other thread; soon Gibson will have issued the entire "Page Collection".

I'm holding out for a "Made In USA" #3.

LedZoso · 01-16-09, 05:16 AM

I don't understand how they could accurately replicate the wiring mods without the pickguard switches unless Page has recent removed them. The 4push/pulls are already being used for coil split and putting all 4 coils in parallel as stated in a 1982 Guitar Heroes article.

Rumbling_Groover · 01-16-09, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LedZoso

I don't understand how they could accurately replicate the wiring mods without the pickguard switches unless Page has recent removed them. The 4push/pulls are already being used for coil split and putting all 4 coils in parallel as stated in a 1982 Guitar Heroes article.

I think they'll just use the '97 sig wiring

The Shifter · 01-16-09, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ad_02Std

Like I said in the other thread; soon Gibson will have issued the entire "Page Collection".

I'm holding out for a "Made In USA" #3.

I really hope they do this one.

LedZoso · 01-16-09, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rumbling_Groover

I think they'll just use the '97 sig wiring

Kind of lame then if you ask me. The guitar is probably most known for the pickguard switches.

Rumbling_Groover · 01-16-09, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LedZoso

Kind of lame then if you ask me. The guitar is probably most known for the pickguard switches.

And the double cream in the bridge ;0)

kharrison · 01-16-09, 10:59 AM

Didn't know #2 had any breaks let alone a heel and a headstock.

esmin · 01-16-09, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kharrison

Didn't know #2 had any breaks let alone a heel and a headstock.

I wasn't aware of that either. Does any one have info on that?

Ad_02Std · 01-16-09, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kharrison

Didn't know #2 had any breaks let alone a heel and a headstock.

Could have been overspray from refinishing after the neck shave, no?

Ad_02Std · 01-16-09, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Shifter

I really hope they do this one.

Yeah, seriously, I do actually want one. I think that guitar is iconic enough from its appearance at the end of The Song Remains The Same to warrant a replica series. Surely there's a demand for it from us Page nuts? And I'd rather one of those than the really high end #1, #2, Custom and Doublenecks; I'd be more likely to get away with playing it at my local jam night.

I saw a photo of Jimmy playing #3 at the O2 gig. With all the options he has at his fingers he clearly still has a fondness for that one.

Ad_02Std · 01-16-09, 12:28 PM

May as well give this link another airing. Just noticed I've been name-checked in it. Cool.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum...d.php?t=889990

Ace pics of... pretty much everything Pagey there. Nice top carve on #3!

Rumbling_Groover · 01-16-09, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ad_02Std

May as well give this link another airing. Just noticed I've been name-checked in it. Cool.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum...d.php?t=889990

Ace pics of... pretty much everything Pagey there. Nice top carve on #3!

Thanks I enjoyed that. I went to the 1994 Led Zep convention and spoke with Jimmy's guitars tech. He was very guarded of his tone.

brobillard · 01-16-09, 02:51 PM

Great! One more thing I can't afford.

Red Baron · 01-16-09, 05:25 PM

I still don't understand the logic of Gibson replicating an iconic guitar from its current appearance... I believe they should choose a period from its heyday to base it on. If I wanted to buy a Jimmy Page #1 or #2, I'd want it to look as close as possible to how it looked in the 70's ...just my thoughts.

The Shifter · 01-16-09, 05:57 PM

Yeah, I could care less about push pull pots, or switches under the pick guard. I want them as they were in the 70s.

That said, if they DID do a #3 Purple Paul reissue, I guess they probably would put the B-Bender on it which sucks.

jcollins · 01-16-09, 06:27 PM

what the list and is it tom murphy aged?

jimmyace2006 · 01-16-09, 07:54 PM

the trouble with making one from the hey day is that it does not look like that now - in case they borrow it to study it. and assuming Jimmy improves the guitars over time, they are allegedly getting the guitar at its best. but then again, having one the way it was back at the height of popularity would be great too. maybe they should make different versions of the guitar - one for now and one from back then! Gibson would never run out of them to sell! as it is, they are about to run out of popular Page guitars to remake.

zosolp · 01-16-09, 10:03 PM

another way to tell one and two apart is that no.1 has gold grovers and no.2 has silver grovers

by the way here is video of no.2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdJWPgzS_lQ

(not the best video of it)

zosolp · 01-16-09, 10:24 PM

here is a good video of no.2 for those of you who are interested

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1yFQ...eature=related

RamiLP · 01-17-09, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zosolp

another way to tell one and two apart is that no.1 has gold grovers and no.2 has silver grovers

by the way here is video of no.2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdJWPgzS_lQ

(not the best video of it)

is it me or dose his les paul sound out of phase in this vid, he did have it in the middle position...

Cream Fan · 01-17-09, 08:30 AM

Looked like the middle position to me, and certainly sounded that way. No other way to get that sound.

buyusfear · 01-18-09, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GastonG

Thanks to Dealer's boulevard Matt's Music Center

Sooooo

I searched, but can't see anymore news about this model?

jimmyace2006 · 01-18-09, 09:47 PM

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyNqdj1Q8DY

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01-15-09, 06:09 PM	#4
Guitar Whiskey All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,490	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Educate me; what's the shading at the transition at the headstock and heel? Also it says "coming soon"; what does this mean?

01-15-09, 06:24 PM	#7
J.D. Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,803	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM That is a really lame display. What is with all of the Gibson secrecy this year? What are we in grade school??? Is 2009, maybe tell your customers what products you are offering for 2009. Hello?

01-15-09, 06:25 PM	#8
vintage58 All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Detached and subdivided in the mass-production zone. Posts: 1,821	Whoa, the top on that one is a true work of art.... in terms of perfection, kinda reminds me of the Mona Lisa: . . __________________ "And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be, within the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing . . . a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propa- ganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods." Aldous Huxley, 1961

01-15-09, 08:04 PM	#9
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01-15-09, 05:54 PM	#1
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01-15-09, 06:07 PM	#3
esembe Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 32	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM SICK ...is #2's necak actually like that? Or is that some sort of lame fade/worn look?

01-15-09, 09:16 PM	#10
Fixxxer Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Land of Long Neck Tenons Posts: 233	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM What is #2? __________________ Everything turns into something else.

01-16-09, 12:08 AM	#13
Greco Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: merry old England Posts: 1,336	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Here's hoping

01-16-09, 01:39 AM	#15
dukeastaire Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 60	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM So what are the odds that we'll see an uncovered Double White pickup in it?

01-16-09, 05:07 AM	#18
Ad_02Std Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Over the green hills Posts: 2,658	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Like I said in the other thread; soon Gibson will have issued the entire "Page Collection". I'm holding out for a "Made In USA" #3. __________________ "Before you play two notes, learn how to play one note - and don't play one note unless you've got a reason to play it." Mark Hollis

01-16-09, 05:16 AM	#19
LedZoso Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 80	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM I don't understand how they could accurately replicate the wiring mods without the pickguard switches unless Page has recent removed them. The 4push/pulls are already being used for coil split and putting all 4 coils in parallel as stated in a 1982 Guitar Heroes article.

01-16-09, 10:59 AM	#24
kharrison All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,554	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Didn't know #2 had any breaks let alone a heel and a headstock.

01-16-09, 12:28 PM	#28
Ad_02Std Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Over the green hills Posts: 2,658	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM May as well give this link another airing. Just noticed I've been name-checked in it. Cool. http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum...d.php?t=889990 Ace pics of... pretty much everything Pagey there. Nice top carve on #3! __________________ "Before you play two notes, learn how to play one note - and don't play one note unless you've got a reason to play it." Mark Hollis

01-16-09, 02:51 PM	#30
brobillard Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Over The Hills and Far Away... Posts: 2,057	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Great! One more thing I can't afford.

01-16-09, 05:25 PM	#31
Red Baron All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 4,123	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM I still don't understand the logic of Gibson replicating an iconic guitar from its current appearance... I believe they should choose a period from its heyday to base it on. If I wanted to buy a Jimmy Page #1 or #2, I'd want it to look as close as possible to how it looked in the 70's ...just my thoughts.

01-16-09, 05:57 PM	#32
The Shifter Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,403	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Yeah, I could care less about push pull pots, or switches under the pick guard. I want them as they were in the 70s. That said, if they DID do a #3 Purple Paul reissue, I guess they probably would put the B-Bender on it which sucks. __________________ Music

01-16-09, 06:27 PM	#33
jcollins Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 147	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM what the list and is it tom murphy aged?

01-16-09, 07:54 PM	#34
jimmyace2006 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 374	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM the trouble with making one from the hey day is that it does not look like that now - in case they borrow it to study it. and assuming Jimmy improves the guitars over time, they are allegedly getting the guitar at its best. but then again, having one the way it was back at the height of popularity would be great too. maybe they should make different versions of the guitar - one for now and one from back then! Gibson would never run out of them to sell! as it is, they are about to run out of popular Page guitars to remake.

01-16-09, 10:03 PM	#35
zosolp Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,470	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM another way to tell one and two apart is that no.1 has gold grovers and no.2 has silver grovers by the way here is video of no.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdJWPgzS_lQ (not the best video of it)

01-16-09, 10:24 PM	#36
zosolp Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,470	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM here is a good video of no.2 for those of you who are interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1yFQ...eature=related

01-17-09, 08:30 AM	#38
Cream Fan Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,675	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Looked like the middle position to me, and certainly sounded that way. No other way to get that sound.

01-18-09, 09:47 PM	#40
jimmyace2006 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 374	Re: Jimmy Page #2 reissue at NAMM Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyNqdj1Q8DY