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Old 02-05-08, 01:00 PM   #1
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Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I would like to put Sperzels on my 05 LP Faded STD, what do you guys think? I would not put them on my 68RI or my GO, but why not this guitar?

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Old 02-05-08, 01:02 PM   #2
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I've got Sperzels on my Strat. I like the way they function but hate the way they look. That's why I wouldn't do it.

What are you going to gain by putting Sperzels on a Les Paul?
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Old 02-05-08, 01:13 PM   #3
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I've got Sperzels on my Strat. I like the way they function but hate the way they look. That's why I wouldn't do it.

What are you going to gain by putting Sperzels on a Les Paul?
The same theme for me - except I have them on my Tele. Don't like the look so much either.

I use the regular Klusons on my lesters and have no problem with tuning stability.
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Old 02-05-08, 01:28 PM   #4
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

what about grovers
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Old 02-05-08, 01:39 PM   #5
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I have them on one of my Studios.
Replaced the tuners after two got banged
up pretty bad one night.
It's not rare or a great looker of a guitar but is one of my best players. They work great and makes string changes a breeze.
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Old 02-05-08, 01:47 PM   #6
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

Gary Moore put Sperzels on Peter Green's Les Paul...
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Old 02-05-08, 01:51 PM   #7
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

A little while ago i put Sperzel locking tuners on my SG Special, the mounting hole already had the right size, the LP's does'nt.
Great tuners, but i wouldnt put them on my LP's because of the drilling/reaming.

Speaking of Sperzel..
A friend of mine told me that you could take a pair of pliers or a nipper and pull out that little stearing peg, you dont need that and 6 less hole to drill.
The tuners will however sit tight and not moving around with just the nut holding them onto the head.

This is how my SG look's like with Sperzel's.



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Old 02-05-08, 01:59 PM   #8
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No.
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Old 02-05-08, 02:30 PM   #9
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

it's true that they are kind of ugly, but man are they convienient.

i've had them on my studio lite for around a decade and they make string changes so fast, i can change a string in mid-song.

for that reason alone, i'm tempted to put them on my standard, but would probably opt for the schallers for the looks alone. not a fan of the way the grovers work.

various sperzel replacement buttons are available, too
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Old 02-05-08, 02:36 PM   #10
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Thanks guys. The reason I want them is several Strats I own have them, damn they are sweet and easy to change strings!
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Old 02-05-08, 03:05 PM   #11
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

Do it.

I'm thinking of Waverlys.
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Old 02-05-08, 03:37 PM   #12
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what about grovers
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Old 02-05-08, 04:07 PM   #13
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A friend of mine told me that you could take a pair of pliers or a nipper and pull out that little stearing peg, you dont need that and 6 less hole to drill.
The tuners will however sit tight and not moving around with just the nut holding them onto the head.
Your friend's wrong. Without the pin, unless the nuts are over tightened, the tuners will turn, if not right away, eventually.
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Old 02-05-08, 04:09 PM   #14
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

Ive got em on mine and they work great - it has a pro set up too.....but i have em because i bend behind the nut sometimes n hit very hard - so the problem is not at the nut. However much silicon grease or nut grease you use if it ain't enough then go for the spertzels - in IMHO that is.
Beware tho cos if you use elevens you have to drill out the string entrance hole on the bottom tunner a tad to get it to take a 48, but if you use tens then its no biggy.
I think I remember having to ream the holes on my Standard tho (its a 95)

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Old 02-05-08, 04:22 PM   #15
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No point, if you use the stringing method where the string "locks/ties" itself to the post you can get away with only one wind around the post and therefore no tuning instablity.

I use this method with the regular tuners on my Classic and it stays in tune for days. Especially if the nut is cut correctly.

You'd be better off having your nut replaced with a better one.
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Old 02-05-08, 06:21 PM   #16
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I know most people do not like to hack on a lP, but dosen't functionality mean more than looks?
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Old 02-05-08, 08:33 PM   #17
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I love the way they look, on certain guitars. Which is ultimatly why they go on (aside from the obvious, which is how well they work) My modern tele got a set the day It came in off the truck, 'cause I think it looks better with them then the stock chrome closed backs do.









Here's a shot of my Ecplise sporting 3x3 sperzels aswell. I think they look bad ass on it, but You wouldn't catch me dead installing them on my reissue Les Paul's. Same goes for the strat. So, in regards to a Les Paul faded, if you wanted them on, then yes, go for it. If it were a reissue, I would say no. (in the end, tuning and restringing depends more on the user then the product IMHO. Which is why my guitars have Spezel, Kluson, Gotoh, Waverly, etc, and they all stay in tune.

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Old 02-06-08, 12:06 AM   #18
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Your friend's wrong. Without the pin, unless the nuts are over tightened, the tuners will turn, if not right away, eventually.

That's exactly what i've told him but he says it work's just fine...
Well...i don't know..

Nice photo's byusfear..
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Old 02-06-08, 03:46 AM   #19
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That's exactly what i've told him but he says it work's just fine...
Well...i don't know..
The Fender sperzels do not have that "nub" and work just fine, they do not slip!
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Old 02-06-08, 05:05 AM   #20
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The Fender sperzels do not have that "nub" and work just fine, they do not slip!
Okey, thanx for telling me.
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"No point, if you use the stringing method where the string "locks/ties" itself to the post you can get away with only one wind around the post and therefore no tuning instablity."

Point taken and I ALWAYS do that way on any of my other guitars where I don't bend behind the nut and usually have pretty much no prob - just that I bend behind the nut on my lp and even if ya have stretched those strings in the night b4, if you are then say playin to in a 400plus venue and its rammed and super sweaty in there, the moisture in the air will cause a few tunning issues every now and again however tight and however you wrap em, again hence why I use the locking heads on my main axe - plus string changes are ultra quick, so you can get whoever travels with you to do your string change that damn quick that you only need to use your spare guitar for say one, max two songs before your 'no 1' main guitar is ready.

They can be tone suckers those Spertzels too, but personally for me - and everyone is different - I gotta compromise for some gigs - depends which band I'm playing with n which gig Try em n If ya dont like em you can always put the others back on , and were not talking major hacking here either so I kinda figure ya can't lose and at least you have gained some insight and some knowlege in the process
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Old 02-06-08, 06:23 AM   #22
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I put locking Grovers on my R8. I just didn't drill the hole any deeper than necessary so I can put Klusons back on if needed. They work great and are a classic look. The only difference is the posts are a little longer.
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Old 02-06-08, 03:42 PM   #23
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I just put a set on. I like them much better than kluson or grovers. When you turn the key there isn't any play unlike the others where I can sometimes turn a 1/4 to 1/2 turn before the tuning changes. Also I like the quick string changes - I use 11's and have not had a need to drill.
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What guitar did you put them on Kingb?
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Old 02-06-08, 05:31 PM   #25
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I would do it.

And why not put them on any Les Paul? Historics are dime a dozen. If it's your work horse and you ain't gonna sell it then put it on them. I have them on one of my guitarsand love them. I will probably put them on my next LP.

do it. *nod* do it.
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Old 02-06-08, 09:33 PM   #26
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

Do it if you need the tuning stability and for fast string changes. I was looking at getting a set of planet waves tuners for my 335 since it is my number one player for those reasons.
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Old 02-06-08, 11:26 PM   #27
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I know most people do not like to hack on a lP, but dosen't functionality mean more than looks?
I'm glad you brought that up because I have a confession to make.
IMHO the answer is NO. I admit that it is the look of an original les paul that inspires me to play it. Functionality does not inspire me. I don't own a paul reed smith because it does not inspire me to play it. I have played PRS's and if you want functionality it doesn't get any better than a PRS. The classic look of an original gibson inspires me to play it. I have had lots of guitars and have had sperzels and others installed on many of them, I have regretted it every time. I no longer mess with that stuff anymore. I buy what inspires me to play and then keep it that way.
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I see no benefit of putting Sperzels on a Les Paul ad IMHO they ruin the looks. Some Gibsons have tuning issues, especially on the G-string but it's never the fault of the tuner, unless they are leally defective. It's more a problem of the long afterlenght between the nut and the tuner and the sharp breaking angle sideways behind the nut. Even the lowly Klusons are second to none on a non tremolo guitar. If you really need locking tuners, then you could use those that look exactly like the Klusons but have an internal locking mechanism. I think they are made by Gotoh. They fit into the original holes and the classic look remains.
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I'm glad you brought that up because I have a confession to make.
IMHO the answer is NO. I admit that it is the look of an original les paul that inspires me to play it. Functionality does not inspire me.
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Re: Sperzel Locking Tuners on my Les Paul, should I

I was going to put them on one of my standards mainly because I am lazy and hate string changes, i never had tning issues i always changed strings properly but like i said i was lazy. Anyway after experiencing locking tuners on my PRS i was sold on them. However i went with the Grovers as my standard had them anyway and so no drilling required and the Grovers look cool on a les paul.
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I see no benefit of putting Sperzels on a Les Paul ad IMHO they ruin the looks. Some Gibsons have tuning issues, especially on the G-string but it's never the fault of the tuner, unless they are leally defective. It's more a problem of the long afterlenght between the nut and the tuner and the sharp breaking angle sideways behind the nut. Even the lowly Klusons are second to none on a non tremolo guitar. If you really need locking tuners, then you could use those that look exactly like the Klusons but have an internal locking mechanism. I think they are made by Gotoh. They fit into the original holes and the classic look remains.
+1

The only advantage I see for a LP is quicker string changes. Just not worth it.
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I see no benefit of putting Sperzels on a Les Paul ad IMHO they ruin the looks. If you really need locking tuners, then you could use those that look exactly like the Klusons but have an internal locking mechanism. I think they are made by Gotoh. They fit into the original holes and the classic look remains.
That's exactly what I did with my strat. The Gotoh locking tuners are not that far off the look of the original.

I had tuning problems with my elegant but that was because Gibson, for some reason can't set up the nut very well on many guitar's. They are notorious for lame quality control. New bone nut and the problem went away. Thank you Gibson for being so arrogant.
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I think i'm going to put the Sperzels on my 89 LP STD vice my 05 Faded STD; I don't have tuning issues, but i'm lazy when it comes to string changes
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I hate those locking Sperzels: 1. I've had 2 of them lock up on me where the guide pin was jammed up top and could not be removed. Terrible design flaw! 2. The thumb screw is a pain to use/tighten. 3. They're hideous looking.

Don't do it!!!
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