RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks

ashbass · 11-28-07, 11:38 AM

Has anyone installed one of these yet? How do they compare to the stock nut or to bone? From the little that I've found on the topic, the original 50s nuts were made of a Nylon 4 and Nylon 6 blend, with the 4 being used as a hardener and 4 is not made anymore. Does anyone know where RS got their stock?

Gold Tone · 11-28-07, 11:44 AM

Don't know answers to your questions but I just saw those the other day.....thought of you and Nylabone actually!

I ordered up 10 of the blanks to put in my Gibson Electrics and acoustics......I'll post back when I get some done.

ashbass · 11-28-07, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gold Tone

Don't know answers to your questions but I just saw those the other day.....thought of you and Nylabone actually!

I ordered up 10 of the blanks to put in my Gibson Electrics and acoustics......I'll post back when I get some done.

I'll race you. I only ordered two though. Lamer, me.

cherrick · 11-28-07, 01:51 PM

Roy of RS Guitarworks is a regular poster here on the forum and he made a recent post explaining the details behind the authentic plastic nuts.

Do a search on LPF and you can find it.

sine_wave · 11-28-07, 02:40 PM

I asked this question over in the tech area I think. If I remember correctly, Roy said he bought a NOS sheet of this stuff. Same as Gibson used in the 50's and he made approximately 200 nuts from the sheet. After they're gone there will be no more. I ordered a couple.

Gold Tone · 11-28-07, 02:43 PM

Looks like I need to order another 1/2 dozen before they are gone.

ashbass · 11-28-07, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gold Tone

Looks like I need to order another 1/2 dozen before they are gone.

Hmm, are you going to open your own store, GT?

ashbass · 11-28-07, 05:41 PM

I searched earlier but didn't hit on 'nut' or 'nuts'. Here is the post Roy made after searching for the username rsrelic:

"I'm not sure what I can say, but the Nylon nut is the exact same stuff used in the 50s. I can't tell that it sounds any different from any other quality nut (since you really only hear it with the strings open). It's super hard, so the strings don't cut into it or bind up. They are made from NOS (new old stock) 4/6 Nylon like the real nuts. The fact is there is only one sheet of this material that came from the Kalamazoo Gibson plant and it will make about 200 blanks then it's gone. #4 nylon is no longer made, so unless I can find more NOS stock there will be no more of these after they are gone.

Roy"

So Relax · 11-28-07, 06:06 PM

Are these out of stock already?? That's what it says on the website. I need a new nut for my '02 R8 - it was factory cut too low!! I've already had it filled once but I'm a bit hesitant to get a bone nut put in.

rsrelic · 11-28-07, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by So Relax

Are these out of stock already?? That's what it says on the website. I need a new nut for my '02 R8 - it was factory cut too low!! I've already had it filled once but I'm a bit hesitant to get a bone nut put in.

I do want to make sure everyone understands I'm not saying this stock "is" 50s, but I can say it came from Gibson's Kalamazoo factory and the box was marked 4/6 nylon 3/16" thick. We still have some, but I cut up half the sheet and got 102 nuts and they are gone now, so I've got to finish cutting up the other half tomorrow. I will say that I've made two nuts from this now and this stuff is super hard and takes forever to cut and work, but it sure looks great when it's done.

Gold Tone · 11-28-07, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ashbass

Hmm, are you going to open your own store, GT?

Now that someone has the old nut material I want to do up all my Gibsons......and have a few on hand for Gibsons I buy in the near future. I've got 8 guitars to re-nut now.

Gold Tone · 11-28-07, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rsrelic

I do want to make sure everyone understands I'm not saying this stock "is" 50s, but I can say it came from Gibson's Kalamazoo factory and the box was marked 4/6 nylon 3/16" thick. We still have some, but I cut up half the sheet and got 102 nuts and they are gone now, so I've got to finish cutting up the other half tomorrow. I will say that I've made two nuts from this now and this stuff is super hard and takes forever to cut and work, but it sure looks great when it's done.

Not 50's? Close enough man!! Thanks for finding it and making it available!

You're surely saving some for your restorations?

Cheers,

GT

rsrelic · 11-28-07, 07:07 PM

Sure we will hold on to the last two dozen or so.

ashbass · 11-29-07, 11:31 AM

I bought two blanks. The second photo shows the color diff between nylabone and rs blanks pretty well. The nylabone is opaque, but the rs is moreso.

les strat · 11-29-07, 11:49 AM

Look wise, that Nylabone is pretty damn close.

I wonder if the beef flavor Nylabone will work

cherrick · 11-29-07, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsrelic

Sure we will hold on to the last two dozen or so.

Roy,
Is this the one in discussion:
http://www.rsguitarworks.net/rsstore...roducts_id=443

It's in my cart but not marked out of stock. If it is the mentioned product, I want to drop the hammer on my order/cart asap.

rsrelic · 11-29-07, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cherrick

Roy,
Is this the one in discussion:
http://www.rsguitarworks.net/rsstore...roducts_id=443

It's in my cart but not marked out of stock. If it is the mentioned product, I want to drop the hammer on my order/cart asap.

Yep that's the one, and it's showing back in stock now.

cherrick · 11-30-07, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsrelic

Yep that's the one, and it's showing back in stock now.

thanks!

Hammer dropped.

4 on the way... and I don't even need one.

Greco · 11-30-07, 12:48 PM

I just ordered 4 - which should pretty much last me the rest of my life.

They look great though.

sine_wave · 11-30-07, 09:52 PM

Roy, Do you know if these would fit on an ES-175, and an ES-335?

Classic · 11-30-07, 10:43 PM

They are show as "out of stock" when I look...? Did I miss them?

ckiz · 12-01-07, 06:50 AM

I picked up 20 blanks - enough for every guitar I own plus an adequate supply of back-ups for the parts drawer. God only knows when another stash of this material will hit the marketplace.

I think I'm going to start doing a direct-deposit of my paycheck to the folks at RS.

Gold Tone · 12-01-07, 08:51 AM

I think we cleaned them out....that was FAST!!

I bought 18.......same thing here....get all my guitars done up and a few for later purchases.

ckiz · 12-01-07, 09:17 AM

Considering the scarcity of the material, kind regards to Roy and the folks at RS for not price gouging on these when it appears that they easily could have.

If the whole stash is gone in two weeks, they could have priced them at $20 each and still sold them all out.

To Roy and RS!

Gold Tone · 12-01-07, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ckiz

Considering the scarcity of the material, kind regards to Roy and the folks at RS for not price gouging on these when it appears that they easily could have.

If the whole stash is gone in two weeks, they could have priced them at $20 each and still sold them all out.

To Roy and RS!

Ditto!

Thanks guys!

rsrelic · 12-01-07, 10:18 AM

Guys thanks for the kind words. Now it's time for some ordering rules. We are showing out of stock now and I'm really not sure it there are any left at this point untill I check the stock on Monday, so if the count is a 0 don't place anymore orders. Now for a question. I've found a company outside the US who can still do Nylon that has the same look and hardness, but it would be new not old stock, so would there still be an interest in it at the same price per blank? We would have to buy a lot of stock to get them to make them, so I'm just feeling this out.

Classic · 12-01-07, 10:45 AM

If it is essentially the same Nylon then I'd take a couple at least.

Gold Tone · 12-01-07, 11:38 AM

I can't see how you'd lose Roy.

1) Blank bone nuts are $4.78 a peice for the unbleached "vintage" type bone nuts at Stew Mac

2) Gibson nut work is HORRID on a good day. Slots too high or too deep. Slots not spaced evenly. Many...MANY new Gisbon owners get a new nut as soon as they buy a new Gibson.

3) Roy, you frequent the LPF and know there are 20,000+ members here now. A huge number of us are vintage fanatics. Anything to get that Historic closer to spec is worth trying.

4) For around $5 I can get a bone nut. I'll happily take a nylon nut for less than $10.

I say you have a winner.

ashbass · 12-01-07, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsrelic

Now for a question. I've found a company outside the US who can still do Nylon that has the same look and hardness, but it would be new not old stock, so would there still be an interest in it at the same price per blank? We would have to buy a lot of stock to get them to make them, so I'm just feeling this out.

Roy, would these be nylon 4/6? I thought, from my meager research, that nylon 4 was no longer made. Does the 4 as a hardener make that much of a difference if it is not in the new blanks you describe?

rsrelic · 12-01-07, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashbass

Roy, would these be nylon 4/6? I thought, from my meager research, that nylon 4 was no longer made. Does the 4 as a hardener make that much of a difference if it is not in the new blanks you describe?

the new nuts would not be 4/6 since 4 can't be made anymore. They would still be 6 nylon, but with a different industrial nylon as a hardener. This is the mix that has taken 4/6's place in the market, but the maker says the hardness and look are 100% the same as the old 4/6.

shawnpurcell · 12-01-07, 09:47 PM

I'd buy the new stuff and I am sure a lot of people would also!

shawn
www.myspace.com/shawnpurcell
www.shawnpurcell.com

55Custom · 12-02-07, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsrelic

the new nuts would not be 4/6 since 4 can't be made anymore. They would still be 6 nylon, but with a different industrial nylon as a hardener. This is the mix that has taken 4/6's place in the market, but the maker says the hardness and look are 100% the same as the old 4/6.

Hey if they LOOK the same to the degree that you can't tell the difference between NOS and New, then that's a huge plus. I like the idea that no one could differentiate one from the other. I need 3 or more.

Cream Fan · 12-02-07, 07:08 PM

I purchased three of the NOS ones and one of them is already in Dave Johnson's hands poised to go on my R9 Makeover. The other two are enroute to me and will be stored for future use.

Roy, the important thing to me, far aside from looks, is will they SOUND the same. I already had a Nylon 6 nut on my R9 before it went in for the Makeover and I can attest that it made a BIG difference in the tone. Opened the guitar right up. I'm convinced that part of the recipe for the tone of the old guitars rests firmly on that nut material. Along with everything else, it's got to have a bearing. So, long story short, if the reproduction material sounds the same, it will be a winner.

Zinc Alloy · 12-03-07, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsrelic

the new nuts would not be 4/6 since 4 can't be made anymore.

I wonder why it can't be made anymore....

Gold Tone · 12-03-07, 07:38 PM

Isn't this the same stuff?

Seems to be available? What am I missing?

http://www.goodfellow.com/scripts/we...M34&SPAGE=AM34

Greco · 12-03-07, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gold Tone

Isn't this the same stuff?

Seems to be available? What am I missing?

http://www.goodfellow.com/scripts/we...M34&SPAGE=AM34

Is that price in US dollars!?

rsrelic · 12-04-07, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gold Tone

Isn't this the same stuff?

Seems to be available? What am I missing?

http://www.goodfellow.com/scripts/we...M34&SPAGE=AM34

If you look at the details of the item and click where is says 4,6 it only gives details of the 6 part of the mix. This is the same type stuff I was asking about for repros, but from another maker.

rsrelic · 12-05-07, 02:47 PM

OK guys the nuts listed now are all there are, so that's the last of them. I hope the new stuff is as nice as they say it is.

Rev.WillieVK · 12-05-07, 03:03 PM

Got 'em today - Roy ROCKS!!!

Greco · 12-09-07, 02:34 PM

Picked mine up from the Post Office on Saturday. Can't wait to see get mine done and see some installed!

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11-28-07, 11:38 AM	#1
ashbass Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,875	RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Has anyone installed one of these yet? How do they compare to the stock nut or to bone? From the little that I've found on the topic, the original 50s nuts were made of a Nylon 4 and Nylon 6 blend, with the 4 being used as a hardener and 4 is not made anymore. Does anyone know where RS got their stock? __________________

11-28-07, 11:44 AM	#2
Gold Tone All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 5,173	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Don't know answers to your questions but I just saw those the other day.....thought of you and Nylabone actually! I ordered up 10 of the blanks to put in my Gibson Electrics and acoustics......I'll post back when I get some done.

11-28-07, 02:40 PM	#5
sine_wave Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Posts: 723	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I asked this question over in the tech area I think. If I remember correctly, Roy said he bought a NOS sheet of this stuff. Same as Gibson used in the 50's and he made approximately 200 nuts from the sheet. After they're gone there will be no more. I ordered a couple.

11-28-07, 02:43 PM	#6
Gold Tone All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 5,173	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Looks like I need to order another 1/2 dozen before they are gone.

11-28-07, 01:51 PM	#4
cherrick Les Paul Froum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern Bastrop County, TX Posts: 5,744	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Roy of RS Guitarworks is a regular poster here on the forum and he made a recent post explaining the details behind the authentic plastic nuts. Do a search on LPF and you can find it.

11-28-07, 05:41 PM	#8
ashbass Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,875	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I searched earlier but didn't hit on 'nut' or 'nuts'. Here is the post Roy made after searching for the username rsrelic: "I'm not sure what I can say, but the Nylon nut is the exact same stuff used in the 50s. I can't tell that it sounds any different from any other quality nut (since you really only hear it with the strings open). It's super hard, so the strings don't cut into it or bind up. They are made from NOS (new old stock) 4/6 Nylon like the real nuts. The fact is there is only one sheet of this material that came from the Kalamazoo Gibson plant and it will make about 200 blanks then it's gone. #4 nylon is no longer made, so unless I can find more NOS stock there will be no more of these after they are gone. Roy" __________________

11-28-07, 06:06 PM	#9
So Relax Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Are these out of stock already?? That's what it says on the website. I need a new nut for my '02 R8 - it was factory cut too low!! I've already had it filled once but I'm a bit hesitant to get a bone nut put in.

11-28-07, 07:07 PM	#13
rsrelic Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: winchester ky Posts: 1,511	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Sure we will hold on to the last two dozen or so. __________________ http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...107/?start=all

11-29-07, 11:31 AM	#14
ashbass Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,875	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I bought two blanks. The second photo shows the color diff between nylabone and rs blanks pretty well. The nylabone is opaque, but the rs is moreso. __________________

11-29-07, 11:49 AM	#15
les strat Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alabama Posts: 4,758	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Look wise, that Nylabone is pretty damn close. I wonder if the beef flavor Nylabone will work __________________ So I let the poison go 'Cause baby I know It will always be there for me

11-30-07, 12:48 PM	#19
Greco Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: merry old England Posts: 1,443	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I just ordered 4 - which should pretty much last me the rest of my life. They look great though.

11-30-07, 09:52 PM	#20
sine_wave Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York Posts: 723	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Roy, Do you know if these would fit on an ES-175, and an ES-335?

11-30-07, 10:43 PM	#21
Classic Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: England, UK Posts: 1,109	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks They are show as "out of stock" when I look...? Did I miss them?

12-01-07, 06:50 AM	#22
ckiz Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 435	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I picked up 20 blanks - enough for every guitar I own plus an adequate supply of back-ups for the parts drawer. God only knows when another stash of this material will hit the marketplace. I think I'm going to start doing a direct-deposit of my paycheck to the folks at RS.

12-01-07, 08:51 AM	#23
Gold Tone All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 5,173	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I think we cleaned them out....that was FAST!! I bought 18.......same thing here....get all my guitars done up and a few for later purchases.

12-01-07, 09:17 AM	#24
ckiz Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 435	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Considering the scarcity of the material, kind regards to Roy and the folks at RS for not price gouging on these when it appears that they easily could have. If the whole stash is gone in two weeks, they could have priced them at $20 each and still sold them all out. To Roy and RS!

12-01-07, 10:18 AM	#26
rsrelic Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: winchester ky Posts: 1,511	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Guys thanks for the kind words. Now it's time for some ordering rules. We are showing out of stock now and I'm really not sure it there are any left at this point untill I check the stock on Monday, so if the count is a 0 don't place anymore orders. Now for a question. I've found a company outside the US who can still do Nylon that has the same look and hardness, but it would be new not old stock, so would there still be an interest in it at the same price per blank? We would have to buy a lot of stock to get them to make them, so I'm just feeling this out. __________________ http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...107/?start=all

12-01-07, 10:45 AM	#27
Classic Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: England, UK Posts: 1,109	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks If it is essentially the same Nylon then I'd take a couple at least.

12-01-07, 11:38 AM	#28
Gold Tone All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 5,173	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I can't see how you'd lose Roy. 1) Blank bone nuts are $4.78 a peice for the unbleached "vintage" type bone nuts at Stew Mac 2) Gibson nut work is HORRID on a good day. Slots too high or too deep. Slots not spaced evenly. Many...MANY new Gisbon owners get a new nut as soon as they buy a new Gibson. 3) Roy, you frequent the LPF and know there are 20,000+ members here now. A huge number of us are vintage fanatics. Anything to get that Historic closer to spec is worth trying. 4) For around $5 I can get a bone nut. I'll happily take a nylon nut for less than $10. I say you have a winner.

12-01-07, 09:47 PM	#31
shawnpurcell Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 105	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I'd buy the new stuff and I am sure a lot of people would also! shawn www.myspace.com/shawnpurcell www.shawnpurcell.com

12-02-07, 07:08 PM	#33
Cream Fan Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,752	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks I purchased three of the NOS ones and one of them is already in Dave Johnson's hands poised to go on my R9 Makeover. The other two are enroute to me and will be stored for future use. Roy, the important thing to me, far aside from looks, is will they SOUND the same. I already had a Nylon 6 nut on my R9 before it went in for the Makeover and I can attest that it made a BIG difference in the tone. Opened the guitar right up. I'm convinced that part of the recipe for the tone of the old guitars rests firmly on that nut material. Along with everything else, it's got to have a bearing. So, long story short, if the reproduction material sounds the same, it will be a winner.

12-03-07, 07:38 PM	#35
Gold Tone All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 5,173	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Isn't this the same stuff? Seems to be available? What am I missing? http://www.goodfellow.com/scripts/we...M34&SPAGE=AM34

12-05-07, 02:47 PM	#38
rsrelic Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: winchester ky Posts: 1,511	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks OK guys the nuts listed now are all there are, so that's the last of them. I hope the new stuff is as nice as they say it is. __________________ http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...107/?start=all

12-05-07, 03:03 PM	#39
Rev.WillieVK Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Wherever I go, there I yam. Posts: 6,965	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Got 'em today - Roy ROCKS!!!

12-09-07, 02:34 PM	#40
Greco Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: merry old England Posts: 1,443	Re: RS Guitarworks Nylon 4/6 Nut blanks Picked mine up from the Post Office on Saturday. Can't wait to see get mine done and see some installed!