Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst

MikeSlub · 11-01-09, 12:48 PM

Someone had asked whether there were any reissues that were closer to the color of my '59 Burst. Here is a shot of:

. 2009 '59 Reissue in Desert Sunset Burst
. Duane Allman Signature Burst
. 1999 '59 Reissue Murphy Aged
. Vintage 1959 Burst
. 2009 '59 Reissue in Cognac Burst
. 2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade

What do you think comes closest to the real Burst?

ScreaminG · 11-01-09, 12:58 PM

2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade

Henk · 11-01-09, 01:02 PM

Between the bourbon fade and cognac i think.

A whole lot of booze seems involved though!

MikeSlub · 11-01-09, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminG

2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade

It's interesting what the camera does to colors, especially reds. When you're looking at them in person, the DaPra Bourbon Fade is a brighter cherry color than the real Burst.

pearly gates 015 · 11-01-09, 01:10 PM

HotLanta looks really close. Awesome Lesters!

DoubleBoogie · 11-01-09, 01:19 PM

I vote the Cognac. If it was a little lighter with a bit more red on the outer part, it would be extremely close.

Zoomer · 11-01-09, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSlub

Someone had asked whether there were any reissues that were closer to the color of my '59 Burst. Here is a shot of:

. 2009 '59 Reissue in Desert Sunset Burst
. Duane Allman Signature Burst
. 1999 '59 Reissue Murphy Aged
. Vintage 1959 Burst
. 2009 '59 Reissue in Cognac Burst
. 2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade

What do you think comes closest to the real Burst?

Mike

Awesome shot !!!

I think the color of your real burst really shows that a lot the magic of older guitars is the way the old laquer ages. As the finish hardens and yellows the guitar almost has a glow compared to the others.

Thats lineup is stunning !!!

The flame on your allman looks REAL close to the original one.

,

Zoomer

axeman565758 · 11-01-09, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by pearly gates 015

HotLanta looks really close. Awesome Lesters!

definately.....all gorgeous though..

winered82 · 11-01-09, 02:22 PM

i vote for the Duane

Ryan Givhan · 11-01-09, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminG

2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade

same

uburoibob · 11-01-09, 03:28 PM

Definitely the Duane Allman is the closest color-wise. Your real burst has a little bit more dark around the perimeter, but value-wise, they look nearly identical in your photo.

I've found no matter which camera you use, the reds are accentuated. I've had the best luck with a Canon G9 using manual settings and white balance. The photos of my Valentine are pretty dead-nuts accurate (see below) - note the gradual fade-off of the red rather than the harsh line that isn't actually there when you see the guitars? I'd highly recommend the Canon G9 or newer G10 for shooting bursts. It'd be great to see your collection shot with a camera that can handle it.

Bob

uburoibob · 11-01-09, 03:33 PM

The thing I notice most is not the burst color at all, but the differential in the plastic color. While the trend seems to be toward whiter plastic, it would appear that the real McCoy has a pinker/fleshier color. And the inlays seem to have a grayer color than the bright modern historic reissues (closer to that 2001 color). Very interesting seeing it side by side with the others - stands out quite a bit...

Bob

R9. · 11-01-09, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSlub

What do you think comes closest to the real Burst?

Mike, my wife is sitting here with me and she said they all look the same.

Black58 · 11-01-09, 04:44 PM

Excluding the below the waist fade, of course, I'd say the "Duane" nails it! NICE stuff.

Ace139 · 11-01-09, 04:51 PM

I think either the Duane or the Cognac. Thanks for the shot as always they are all just stunning !!

bugman4214 · 11-01-09, 05:00 PM

duane for me

guitarvoodoo · 11-01-09, 05:11 PM

Duane's closest for sure. And they're all gorgeous.

/GV

Chef Greg · 11-01-09, 05:12 PM

Duane... & I'm red/green color deficient-- !

Browneyes · 11-01-09, 06:24 PM

there you go guys... for those who say gibson can't get the burst right.

mistersnappy · 11-01-09, 06:26 PM

Duane!

bluesforstevie · 11-02-09, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScreaminG

2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade

+1

It would be much more apparent if the DaPra Bourbon in this pic were more of a plaintop!!! But this is definitely the closest.

LSGoCards7 · 11-02-09, 07:12 PM

I think if the Cognac burst faded a little it would be a dead on match. All of them are gorgeous though!

kanada · 11-02-09, 08:45 PM

any reason you didn't put the actual 50th cherry sunburst in the photo?

pinefd · 11-02-09, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

Mike, my wife is sitting here with me and she said they all look the same.

Could it be possible that all wives are color blind?!?

Frank

MWR · 11-02-09, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesforstevie

+1

It would be much more apparent if the DaPra Bourbon in this pic were more of a plaintop!!! But this is definitely the closest.

+2

PixelBurst · 11-02-09, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinefd

Could it be possible that all wives are color blind?!?

Frank

If they were shoes or hand bags they would be able to tell the difference.

sharq attaq · 11-02-09, 10:31 PM

don't get me wrong, but aside from more dark around the edges on two of them, the colors look remarkably similar to me tint wise.

....in that picture at least.

Not really a very good test, IMO.

Nice picture, beautiful guitars...just not a very good test for color.

I would say that the one on the right has more similar shade pattern to the '59.

DANELECTRO · 11-03-09, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R9.

Mike, my wife is sitting here with me and she said they all look the same.

I would guess that if you polled the average wife, they would say these two look the same...

Greco · 11-03-09, 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DANELECTRO

I would guess that if you polled the average wife, they would say these two look the same...

I'm sure a lot of us have had the experience of our other halves laughing at us while we flick through BOTB: "But, they're all the same!" - harharhar!

access · 11-03-09, 08:11 AM

Ive stared at this photo for quite some time! (almost getting dizzy from the lacquer fumes!)

My vote is for the Duane. Hands down!

Classic · 11-03-09, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uburoibob

The thing I notice most is not the burst color at all, but the differential in the plastic color. While the trend seems to be toward whiter plastic, it would appear that the real McCoy has a pinker/fleshier color. And the inlays seem to have a grayer color than the bright modern historic reissues (closer to that 2001 color). Very interesting seeing it side by side with the others - stands out quite a bit...

Bob

I've been noticing the same thing with the colour of the plastics. The actual colour of the original burst plastic looks to be a discoloured, yellowed white where as the reissues come in either pink or some form of white. Even the aftermarket plastics are generally white which again intrigues me.

I can only put this down to an odditiy in consumers requirements. They want an original looking guitar including dents, wear, checking etc. but want the plastic to look as it would originally.

Go figure!

Decoy205 · 11-03-09, 01:16 PM

I think if you combine Duane upper bout switch and horn area, with the bourbon fades lower bout area you get there. As for closest all around I think the Duane is closest in color.

TM1 · 11-03-09, 01:28 PM

Duane's guitar the first time I saw it in `71, was very purple-ish on the dark areas, especially by the switch. Too bad it didn't stay that way. It was a wonderful, see thru dark reddish purple.

parmley76 · 11-05-09, 04:37 AM

Duanes. Mike which one in person looks more like the real deal?

Shane McCrae · 11-05-09, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneyes

there you go guys... for those who say gibson can't get the burst right.

I agree. Btw, the finishes aren't done by "Gibson", they are done by people who work for Gibson and each one of those people bring their own tastes, talents and interpretations to the process. I suspect this was also true in the 50s. I watched this being done when I was at Gibson for training. It's romantic, but silly, to think there was any special mojo to the process back then, there were some guitars that turned out great, some not so much, same as now. To my eyes this photo proves that the finishes are as good now as ever, taken collectively.

DANELECTRO · 11-05-09, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane McCrae

I agree. Btw, the finishes aren't done by "Gibson", they are done by people who work for Gibson and each one of those people bring their own tastes, talents and interpretations to the process. I suspect this was also true in the 50s.

For instance:

IMO, based on how well Mike's Burst blends in with the surrounding Historics, I think Gibson is doing a great job in the finishing department.

59gibson · 11-14-09, 10:14 AM

Mike,

They are ALL GREAT looking guitars

Since everyones monitors may show colors a bit different, I think the real question is (since you see them all in person), which do you think comes the closest to your original 59

Todd68 · 11-17-09, 03:29 PM

Duane

goldtop0 · 11-17-09, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd68

Duane

+1

fjminor · 11-18-09, 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kanada

any reason you didn't put the actual 50th cherry sunburst in the photo?

+1 Inquiring minds need to know..

Something tells me that the 50th Anniversary Heritage Cherry is much darker than the 59 Vintage Burst....

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11-01-09, 12:48 PM	#1
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11-01-09, 12:58 PM	#2
ScreaminG Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South of Nashville Posts: 266	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst 2009 '59 Reissue in DaPra Bourbon Fade __________________ DO PIGS FLY ?

11-01-09, 01:02 PM	#3
Henk Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Low lands Posts: 460	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Between the bourbon fade and cognac i think. A whole lot of booze seems involved though!

11-01-09, 01:10 PM	#5
pearly gates 015 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Gibsonville, N.C. Posts: 59	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst HotLanta looks really close. Awesome Lesters!

11-01-09, 01:19 PM	#6
DoubleBoogie All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,134	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst I vote the Cognac. If it was a little lighter with a bit more red on the outer part, it would be extremely close.

11-01-09, 02:22 PM	#9
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11-01-09, 03:28 PM	#11
uburoibob Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 42	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Definitely the Duane Allman is the closest color-wise. Your real burst has a little bit more dark around the perimeter, but value-wise, they look nearly identical in your photo. I've found no matter which camera you use, the reds are accentuated. I've had the best luck with a Canon G9 using manual settings and white balance. The photos of my Valentine are pretty dead-nuts accurate (see below) - note the gradual fade-off of the red rather than the harsh line that isn't actually there when you see the guitars? I'd highly recommend the Canon G9 or newer G10 for shooting bursts. It'd be great to see your collection shot with a camera that can handle it. Bob

11-01-09, 03:33 PM	#12
uburoibob Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 42	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst The thing I notice most is not the burst color at all, but the differential in the plastic color. While the trend seems to be toward whiter plastic, it would appear that the real McCoy has a pinker/fleshier color. And the inlays seem to have a grayer color than the bright modern historic reissues (closer to that 2001 color). Very interesting seeing it side by side with the others - stands out quite a bit... Bob

11-01-09, 04:44 PM	#14
Black58 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Close, Tunowair Posts: 3,737	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Excluding the below the waist fade, of course, I'd say the "Duane" nails it! NICE stuff. __________________ People with lots of words are usually lying or stupid. www.myspace.com/turn4rocks

11-01-09, 04:51 PM	#15
Ace139 All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brookfield, CT Posts: 1,135	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst I think either the Duane or the Cognac. Thanks for the shot as always they are all just stunning !! __________________ Some people call me old fashion - but fire scares me

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11-01-09, 06:24 PM	#19
Browneyes Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York City Mofo's Posts: 6,082	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst there you go guys... for those who say gibson can't get the burst right. __________________

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mistersnappy Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Tejas Posts: 2,776	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Duane! __________________ "That's what I love, man, to hear that backbeat popping, that damn bass plonkin' down. Jesus God!"-Duane Allman

11-02-09, 07:12 PM	#22
LSGoCards7 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 378	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst I think if the Cognac burst faded a little it would be a dead on match. All of them are gorgeous though! __________________ Guitars: Gibson 1959 Les Paul Golden Orange Teaburst with OTPG PAFs, Fender Strat, Walden D-710 Acoustic Amps: Metropoulos 1967 Plexi, Scumback Made Marshall 1982 Cab with 4 Scumback H75s Pedals: 1970 CryBaby Wah, Fulltone Mini-Deja Vibe, Analog Man Modded Fuzz Face, Fulltone OCD V4 Wish List: Sola Sound Tone Bender MK II, Skreddy Pink Flesh, Skreddy Top Fuel, Voodoo Labs PP2+, Mogami Cable I love Gibsons, just not their prices.

11-02-09, 08:45 PM	#23
kanada Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 196	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst any reason you didn't put the actual 50th cherry sunburst in the photo?

11-02-09, 10:31 PM	#27
sharq attaq Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 462	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst don't get me wrong, but aside from more dark around the edges on two of them, the colors look remarkably similar to me tint wise. ....in that picture at least. Not really a very good test, IMO. Nice picture, beautiful guitars...just not a very good test for color. I would say that the one on the right has more similar shade pattern to the '59.

11-03-09, 08:11 AM	#30
access All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: La La Land Posts: 644	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Ive stared at this photo for quite some time! (almost getting dizzy from the lacquer fumes!) My vote is for the Duane. Hands down!

11-03-09, 01:16 PM	#32
Decoy205 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 228	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst I think if you combine Duane upper bout switch and horn area, with the bourbon fades lower bout area you get there. As for closest all around I think the Duane is closest in color.

11-03-09, 01:28 PM	#33
TM1 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on the middle & bridge pickup of my R-7 Custom Posts: 2,330	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Duane's guitar the first time I saw it in `71, was very purple-ish on the dark areas, especially by the switch. Too bad it didn't stay that way. It was a wonderful, see thru dark reddish purple.

11-05-09, 04:37 AM	#34
parmley76 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bourbonnais, IL Posts: 547	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Duanes. Mike which one in person looks more like the real deal?

11-14-09, 10:14 AM	#37
59gibson All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,377	Re: Deep Cherry Sunburst R9s against a '59 Burst Mike, They are ALL GREAT looking guitars Since everyones monitors may show colors a bit different, I think the real question is (since you see them all in person), which do you think comes the closest to your original 59

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