Fleabay scam of the year!!!

markguitar · 12-03-01, 03:44 PM

Here's an Ebay add for a '96 '58 plaintop that was redone by Murphy.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1492823787
Now, I do know the guitar and it had alot of original parts put on it. So the item description is correct. But,now you get to the pictures! And if I'm not wrong,all of the pictures except the ones of the back,control cavity,and fingerboard are lifted from the pictures Karaoke Karl took of the real Kieth Richards Guitar when he was in England! Here's the link to those pictures.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...f=0&sp=1&showa
There is not one actual picture of the top or front of the '96 guitar in the ad! Notice the same roled up strap by the cutaway in the pictures on Ebay and in the pictures of the real K.R. guitar!

Spose · 12-03-01, 03:48 PM

no doubt those are Karl's pictures.

This guy is busted!

I don't get it, how does someone think they can get away with this, on a 10K item no less!

Is this fraud?

markguitar · 12-03-01, 04:06 PM

Is this fraud?

Yes,in fact it is fraud! Karl owns the rights to those pictures and could sue the guy for copyright infringement!

Nelson F · 12-03-01, 04:07 PM

FLEA BAY FLEA BAY FLEA BAY BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE KING OF CYPRESS

Nelson

Nelson F · 12-03-01, 04:09 PM

HEY KARL HOW MUCH WAS THAT FLIGHT TO ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!

THE KING OF CYPRESS

NELSON F

Goodwood · 12-03-01, 04:20 PM

WTF............
Boy does that guitar look familiar!
As I remeber it though, it didn't have any flame or curl to it.
Oh..............I see! Presto-Changeo!
One Is the REAL 96 Historic, and the other is Keith's guitar.

THAT makes a lot of sense!!

HEY................ some of those photo's also look familiar.......
like I lived there once or something????

E-mail time!!

Snags · 12-03-01, 04:25 PM

Go git 'em, Dean! :guns

Luke Gibson · 12-03-01, 06:52 PM

I recgonize some of the photo's from the Japanese Les Paul Fan Site.

Dave Paetow · 12-03-01, 07:06 PM

What a joke.

Chad · 12-03-01, 07:13 PM

It's odd that that seller has been on Ebay for 2.5 years and has a pretty good feedback rating?????

XOSKELETAL · 12-04-01, 06:42 AM

Says the guitar can be seen and played in Larchmont, NY, which is 2 minutes from my office in New Rochelle, NY. I'd get a kick out of checking it out, but I wouldn't be comfortable faking being a real buyer.

CDaughtry · 12-04-01, 07:01 AM

Oh come on XO you're a scumbag lawyer...remember? That's coming from a fellow scumbag!;)

John Catto · 12-04-01, 11:39 AM

This is the silliest thing I have EVER seen. Cosmo will get a real laugh out of this one, at least up to the point he gets on a plane to cut the guys balls off!
What do you think the odds are the seller is someone who at least lurks around here? ;)

Goodwood · 12-04-01, 11:54 AM

The guitar is a GREAT guitar and to kill it with all the bullshit about Keith Richards is crazy.
To each their own!

XOSKELETAL · 12-04-01, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CDaughtry
Oh come on XO you're a scumbag lawyer...remember? That's coming from a fellow scumbag!;)

Oh, I forgot

spin I'm drawing up a complaint on behalf of the forum members. It has no merit, but who cares?? It'll hassle him to death dealing with the NY court system

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ashcaster · 12-04-01, 12:04 PM

What's really crazy is you can tell he actually doctored the backgrounds on some of those photos. He "erased" the tile lines on the floor in that one picture and got rid of some of the leaves in the first one taken outdoors! What is this guy thinking??

Snags · 12-04-01, 01:16 PM

"What is this guy thinking?"

Must... Buy... More... Crack...

SunburstKid · 12-04-01, 03:39 PM

I can't believe this :ahole 's aucton is still up on ebay:dead:

Stupidity or balls.......which one?

Goodwood · 12-04-01, 04:39 PM

CarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrACK!!

Nelson F · 12-04-01, 04:48 PM

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT CRACK IZZZZZZZZ!

THE KING OF CYPRESS

NELSON F

darkburst · 12-04-01, 05:14 PM

Seems he's changed the description 4 times already. I think he took off all the copied photos, too. Though I'm not all that familiar with which ones were copied.

John Catto · 12-04-01, 05:27 PM

Oh they most definitely are still there! I was curious about the claim that it has original backplates on it since 50's control cavity backplates won't fit on a contemporary Paul including R9's as far as I know. Maybe Murphy re-routed pre finish.

darkburst · 12-04-01, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Catto
Oh they most definitely are still there! I was curious about the claim that it has original backplates on it since 50's control cavity backplates won't fit on a contemporary Paul including R9's as far as I know. Maybe Murphy re-routed pre finish.

My mistake then. I had checked a few previously with the photopoint album and the ones I looked at are now gone. There was one with the rolled up strap and it's no longer there.

markguitar · 12-05-01, 07:55 AM

Somebody with big balls or no brain(probably the 2nd) actually used the "Buy it Now" option on this thing!!!!!

Goodwood · 12-05-01, 08:08 AM

I bet a nickle it was a set-up!

Chad · 12-05-01, 02:13 PM

********: Yep. To expand on that, here is some further speculation: the seller was getting a ton of crap via email and he has also probably read this very thread. The heat was getting to be more than he could take, so he decided to have a friend bid on the guitar to make us think the deal actually closed and was legit. When in fact he probably decided to bite the bullet, pay the Ebay seller fees, and move on.

By the way, is the serial number legit? If the seller actually has a guitar, he may hold on to it for awhile until things cool down. But keep your eyes peeled....I bet that guitar will show up for sale again in the near future with a more subdued sales pitch.

By the way, you guys who emailed the seller.....how did the conversations go?

nicholas · 12-05-01, 03:10 PM

You think the seller is going to eat the e-bay fee ? Thats at least a couple hundred bucks. How much someone want to wager e-bay gets a bogus buyer report from the seller ?!!

Goodwood · 12-05-01, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chad
********: Yep. To expand on that, here is some further speculation: the seller was getting a ton of crap via email and he has also probably read this very thread. The heat was getting to be more than he could take, so he decided to have a friend bid on the guitar to make us think the deal actually closed and was legit. When in fact he probably decided to bite the bullet, pay the Ebay seller fees, and move on.

By the way, is the serial number legit? If the seller actually has a guitar, he may hold on to it for awhile until things cool down. But keep your eyes peeled....I bet that guitar will show up for sale again in the near future with a more subdued sales pitch.

By the way, you guys who emailed the seller.....how did the conversations go?

Chad,
The serial # is correct!
I know because, at one time, that guitar was mine!

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12-03-01, 03:44 PM	#1
markguitar Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,104	Fleabay scam of the year!!! Here's an Ebay add for a '96 '58 plaintop that was redone by Murphy. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI...tem=1492823787 Now, I do know the guitar and it had alot of original parts put on it. So the item description is correct. But,now you get to the pictures! And if I'm not wrong,all of the pictures except the ones of the back,control cavity,and fingerboard are lifted from the pictures Karaoke Karl took of the real Kieth Richards Guitar when he was in England! Here's the link to those pictures. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...f=0&sp=1&showa There is not one actual picture of the top or front of the '96 guitar in the ad! Notice the same roled up strap by the cutaway in the pictures on Ebay and in the pictures of the real K.R. guitar!

12-03-01, 03:48 PM	#2
Spose Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The BEST Forum on the Internet Posts: 3,995	no doubt those are Karl's pictures. This guy is busted! I don't get it, how does someone think they can get away with this, on a 10K item no less! Is this fraud? Last edited by Spose : 12-03-01 at 03:54 PM.

12-03-01, 04:07 PM	#4
Nelson F In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: WWW.CAFEWAH.COM Posts: 42,340	ahhhhhhhhh FLEA BAY FLEA BAY FLEA BAY BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE KING OF CYPRESS Nelson

12-03-01, 04:09 PM	#5
Nelson F In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: WWW.CAFEWAH.COM Posts: 42,340	KARL HEY KARL HOW MUCH WAS THAT FLIGHT TO ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!! THE KING OF CYPRESS NELSON F

12-03-01, 04:06 PM	#3
markguitar Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,104	Is this fraud? Yes,in fact it is fraud! Karl owns the rights to those pictures and could sue the guy for copyright infringement!

12-03-01, 04:20 PM	#6
Goodwood Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,343	WTF............ Boy does that guitar look familiar! As I remeber it though, it didn't have any flame or curl to it. Oh..............I see! Presto-Changeo! One Is the REAL 96 Historic, and the other is Keith's guitar. THAT makes a lot of sense!! HEY................ some of those photo's also look familiar....... like I lived there once or something???? E-mail time!!

12-03-01, 04:25 PM	#7
Snags Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the boonies, 12 miles from the nearest McDonald's Posts: 15,135	Go git 'em, Dean! :guns

12-03-01, 06:52 PM	#8
Luke Gibson Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Somewhere in Alabama Posts: 1,016	I recgonize some of the photo's from the Japanese Les Paul Fan Site.

12-03-01, 07:06 PM	#9
Dave Paetow Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13,541	What a joke.

12-03-01, 07:13 PM	#10
Chad Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 168	It's odd that that seller has been on Ebay for 2.5 years and has a pretty good feedback rating?????

12-04-01, 06:42 AM	#11
XOSKELETAL Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,035	Says the guitar can be seen and played in Larchmont, NY, which is 2 minutes from my office in New Rochelle, NY. I'd get a kick out of checking it out, but I wouldn't be comfortable faking being a real buyer.

12-04-01, 07:01 AM	#12
CDaughtry In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 8,867	Oh come on XO you're a scumbag lawyer...remember? That's coming from a fellow scumbag!;)

12-04-01, 11:39 AM	#13
John Catto Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Londinium, UK Posts: 3,607	This is the silliest thing I have EVER seen. Cosmo will get a real laugh out of this one, at least up to the point he gets on a plane to cut the guys balls off! What do you think the odds are the seller is someone who at least lurks around here? ;)

12-04-01, 11:54 AM	#14
Goodwood Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,343	The guitar is a GREAT guitar and to kill it with all the bullshit about Keith Richards is crazy. To each their own!

12-04-01, 12:04 PM	#16
ashcaster Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 79	What's really crazy is you can tell he actually doctored the backgrounds on some of those photos. He "erased" the tile lines on the floor in that one picture and got rid of some of the leaves in the first one taken outdoors! What is this guy thinking??

12-04-01, 01:16 PM	#17
Snags Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the boonies, 12 miles from the nearest McDonald's Posts: 15,135	"What is this guy thinking?" Must... Buy... More... Crack...

12-04-01, 03:39 PM	#18
SunburstKid LPF Recording Artist Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: coming to a town near you Posts: 597	I can't believe this :ahole 's aucton is still up on ebay:dead: Stupidity or balls.......which one?

12-04-01, 04:39 PM	#19
Goodwood Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,343	CarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrACK!!

12-04-01, 04:48 PM	#20
Nelson F In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: WWW.CAFEWAH.COM Posts: 42,340	HA HA CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT CRACK IZZZZZZZZ! THE KING OF CYPRESS NELSON F

12-04-01, 05:14 PM	#21
darkburst Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bluesland Posts: 294	Seems he's changed the description 4 times already. I think he took off all the copied photos, too. Though I'm not all that familiar with which ones were copied.

12-04-01, 05:27 PM	#22
John Catto Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Londinium, UK Posts: 3,607	Oh they most definitely are still there! I was curious about the claim that it has original backplates on it since 50's control cavity backplates won't fit on a contemporary Paul including R9's as far as I know. Maybe Murphy re-routed pre finish.

12-05-01, 07:55 AM	#24
markguitar Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 2,104	Somebody with big balls or no brain(probably the 2nd) actually used the "Buy it Now" option on this thing!!!!!

12-05-01, 08:08 AM	#25
Goodwood Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,343	I bet a nickle it was a set-up! Last edited by Goodwood : 12-05-01 at 08:35 AM.

12-05-01, 02:13 PM	#26
Chad Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 168	********: Yep. To expand on that, here is some further speculation: the seller was getting a ton of crap via email and he has also probably read this very thread. The heat was getting to be more than he could take, so he decided to have a friend bid on the guitar to make us think the deal actually closed and was legit. When in fact he probably decided to bite the bullet, pay the Ebay seller fees, and move on. By the way, is the serial number legit? If the seller actually has a guitar, he may hold on to it for awhile until things cool down. But keep your eyes peeled....I bet that guitar will show up for sale again in the near future with a more subdued sales pitch. By the way, you guys who emailed the seller.....how did the conversations go?

12-05-01, 03:10 PM	#27
nicholas Prince of Darkburst Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: sunny southern california Posts: 1,648	You think the seller is going to eat the e-bay fee ? Thats at least a couple hundred bucks. How much someone want to wager e-bay gets a bogus buyer report from the seller ?!! __________________ It is not hands that summon us. It is .... desire