Allparts Lightweight tailpc.

roadrunner · 10-12-01, 05:28 AM

Anyone else here tried one of these? I got one yesterday. Are they made of the same stuff as the old ones?... ie: nickle plated aluminum.
I put it on my 2000 R9 and wasn't too impressed with the tone. On Toni's recommendation I backed the studs off by one turn so the tailpiece doesn't quite sit flush on the body. I'm gonna try screwing them back down and see what happens.

I'd be interested to hear anyone elses take on this thing.

Thanks!

Goodwood · 10-12-01, 05:55 AM

If you string the guitar the opposite way, the All Parts tail piece's are great, if you ask me!

toni · 10-12-01, 06:16 AM

Guys,
Gibson is supposed to sell aluminum TP in a few months. All i can say is that Gibson's aluminum TP sounds MUCH BETTER than Allparts's. They Allparts sounds icepicky compared to Gibson's.
Why ? ...i can't find why, really, both aluminum, about same shape, so they should sound about the same, but they are not...Gibson lightweight TP sounds very warm.

nicholas · 10-12-01, 11:25 AM

I put my gibson lightweight tailpiece on yesterday. OMG, toni is right. I dont know how, or why, but its ..... just more of everything good. I swear it weighs half a pound less than my Y2K tailpiece ! I was tuning my guitar through my amp and could hear it right off the bat and was WHOOA ! Acoustically its sonically LOUDER, and plugged in it took a lot of the harshness away that was there before, with much more warmth now. I still have the 57 classics in, but they are gone shortly.

Oh, I got it for 80 bucks from Classic Ax. He had a few available from bogus 01's going back to gibson. At least he did before I gave RICH his phone number. We all know that RICH would NEVER buy all of them right ? :nicholas

tonejunkie · 10-12-01, 12:23 PM

How do you get in touch with him?

nicholas · 10-12-01, 12:48 PM

I called him.

spin

omarxx · 10-12-01, 01:15 PM

I called Greg and he doesn't have any right now.

nicholas · 10-12-01, 01:28 PM

BLAME RICH !!

roadrunner · 10-12-01, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ********
If you string the guitar the opposite way, the All Parts tail piece's are great, if you ask me!

Thanks 'wood, I'll give that a try. I screwed the thing back down and that helped some.

tonejunkie · 10-12-01, 01:54 PM

Is Gibson going to make these availabe aftermarket???????????

KennyY · 10-12-01, 02:22 PM

I got conflicting responses from Gibson regarding the lightweight tailpiece. Just got done talking to local dealer. Someone at Gibson said yes they're going plan to make it as an aftermarket part, and the dealer Gibson rep said no they're not. I'm beginning to think it's not going to happen. I have a feeling that Gibson wants us to buy their historic models instead of slapping the LW tailpiece on a standard production model guitar. Sounds absurd???? I'm sick of waiting, might as well get the allparts tailpiece.

Ken

tonejunkie · 10-12-01, 07:28 PM

There's one way out: Go to guitar Center; buy one of there 01 Historics; replace the featherweight tailpiece with your existing tailpiece; return the Historic to GC for a full and cheerful refund.

It's unethical, but its a fantasy that works on so many levels.

roadrunner · 10-12-01, 09:43 PM

amen, Tonejunkie :dude ... you could also substitute "Sam Ash" for GC!

spin

Aggie · 10-13-01, 12:12 AM

I think he forget to mention the phrase:

"it's also illegal".

tonejunkie · 10-13-01, 12:41 AM

John Catto · 10-13-01, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aggie
"it's also illegal"

I suspect so is dealers surreptitiously removing tailpieces from guitars that are being returned to Gibson and reselling them!

The Fet · 10-13-01, 05:21 AM

John

Did you ever find out any more about the Brandoni light weight tail piece - is it the same shape as a Gibson and is it available in nickel.

Regards

The Fet

John Catto · 10-13-01, 07:47 AM

Fet you over here? The tailpieces I saw at Brandonis are boxed Gotohs. They only carry them in chrome (that kind of place) and didn't know of any other version. They looked pretty correct on a cursory glance and I wondered whether they are in fact the same part that Allparts sell (in nickle). Still at about £25 they're a good way for someone with a chrome hardware standard to get in on the lightweight tailpiece trail.

The Fet · 10-13-01, 11:50 AM

John

Yes I'm in UK.

I wonder if the light weight tail piece is a standard Gotoh piece. I'll check if they have a web site.

The Fet

nicholas · 10-13-01, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Catto

I suspect so is dealers surreptitiously removing tailpieces from guitars that are being returned to Gibson and reselling them!

HEY !! Don't make me feel guilty now !

John Catto · 10-13-01, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nicholas

HEY !! Don't make me feel guilty now !

Guilty? Nahhh I wouldn't! Personally I think Gibson deserve to get these kind of stupid runarounds for nailing peoples heads to the table and trying to convince to buy a new Les Paul just to get a little friggin' piece of aluminium. Even at that, just before they handed over the magic tailpiece they messed the inlays up just a bit to compensate.

Buzz · 10-15-01, 05:53 PM

Guitar Center tags the '58 at $4,000 and the '58 authentic at 5o dollars more. I don't think they'd go any lower than about $3,600, which I know is high. I wouldn't pay more than $3,200 for these, I've seen the going prices on Ebay. I got to agree that some of these Authentics have very realistc looking tops. I'm not sure if it's because Gibson is using some of the old sawing methods, or if it's the dulled finish. I just my buy one from Guitar Center first just to make sure it's worth the money. I now play an '88 R9 with Antiquities and repainted by Murphy. I think if anyone had found a real vintage Les Paul, and it's finish was in that condition, your first instinct would be to polish it up to mirror like gloss.
I think the real look is important, but I think the dull look is not necessarly more real looking.

Two '58s both '01s, one an athentic had alot of damage from displays at the Guitar Renter, uh Guitar Center I went to. Really bad melted looking, they said that they were being sent back, but a month latter, they are still for sale in the store. Remember lacquer takes time to dry, but so did all the other Gibsons they sold, is there a bad batch of '01s floating about?

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10-12-01, 05:28 AM	#1
roadrunner In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NashVegas Posts: 6,216	Allparts Lightweight tailpc. Anyone else here tried one of these? I got one yesterday. Are they made of the same stuff as the old ones?... ie: nickle plated aluminum. I put it on my 2000 R9 and wasn't too impressed with the tone. On Toni's recommendation I backed the studs off by one turn so the tailpiece doesn't quite sit flush on the body. I'm gonna try screwing them back down and see what happens. I'd be interested to hear anyone elses take on this thing. Thanks! __________________ Achieve the Possible!

10-12-01, 11:25 AM	#4
nicholas Prince of Darkburst Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: sunny southern california Posts: 1,648	I put my gibson lightweight tailpiece on yesterday. OMG, toni is right. I dont know how, or why, but its ..... just more of everything good. I swear it weighs half a pound less than my Y2K tailpiece ! I was tuning my guitar through my amp and could hear it right off the bat and was WHOOA ! Acoustically its sonically LOUDER, and plugged in it took a lot of the harshness away that was there before, with much more warmth now. I still have the 57 classics in, but they are gone shortly. Oh, I got it for 80 bucks from Classic Ax. He had a few available from bogus 01's going back to gibson. At least he did before I gave RICH his phone number. We all know that RICH would NEVER buy all of them right ? :nicholas __________________ It is not hands that summon us. It is .... desire

10-12-01, 12:48 PM	#6
nicholas Prince of Darkburst Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: sunny southern california Posts: 1,648	I called him. spin __________________ It is not hands that summon us. It is .... desire

10-12-01, 01:15 PM	#7
omarxx Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 266	I called Greg and he doesn't have any right now. __________________ - omar

10-12-01, 05:55 AM	#2
Goodwood Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,343	If you string the guitar the opposite way, the All Parts tail piece's are great, if you ask me!

10-12-01, 06:16 AM	#3
toni LPF Tone Chaser Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,102	Guys, Gibson is supposed to sell aluminum TP in a few months. All i can say is that Gibson's aluminum TP sounds MUCH BETTER than Allparts's. They Allparts sounds icepicky compared to Gibson's. Why ? ...i can't find why, really, both aluminum, about same shape, so they should sound about the same, but they are not...Gibson lightweight TP sounds very warm.

10-12-01, 12:23 PM	#5
tonejunkie Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 269	How do you get in touch with him?

10-12-01, 01:28 PM	#8
nicholas Prince of Darkburst Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: sunny southern california Posts: 1,648	BLAME RICH !! __________________ It is not hands that summon us. It is .... desire

10-12-01, 01:54 PM	#10
tonejunkie Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 269	Is Gibson going to make these availabe aftermarket???????????

10-12-01, 02:22 PM	#11
KennyY Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wisconsin- Land of Green Bay Packers, beer and Cheese Posts: 624	I don't think it's gonna happen I got conflicting responses from Gibson regarding the lightweight tailpiece. Just got done talking to local dealer. Someone at Gibson said yes they're going plan to make it as an aftermarket part, and the dealer Gibson rep said no they're not. I'm beginning to think it's not going to happen. I have a feeling that Gibson wants us to buy their historic models instead of slapping the LW tailpiece on a standard production model guitar. Sounds absurd???? I'm sick of waiting, might as well get the allparts tailpiece. Ken

10-12-01, 07:28 PM	#12
tonejunkie Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 269	There's one way out: Go to guitar Center; buy one of there 01 Historics; replace the featherweight tailpiece with your existing tailpiece; return the Historic to GC for a full and cheerful refund. It's unethical, but its a fantasy that works on so many levels.

10-12-01, 09:43 PM	#13
roadrunner In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NashVegas Posts: 6,216	amen, Tonejunkie :dude ... you could also substitute "Sam Ash" for GC! spin __________________ Achieve the Possible!

10-13-01, 12:12 AM	#14
Aggie Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The South Posts: 1,061	Oh yeh, ethics is one thing... I think he forget to mention the phrase: "it's also illegal".

10-13-01, 12:41 AM	#15
tonejunkie Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 269

10-13-01, 05:21 AM	#17
The Fet Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 100	Allparts Lightweight tailpc John Did you ever find out any more about the Brandoni light weight tail piece - is it the same shape as a Gibson and is it available in nickel. Regards The Fet Last edited by The Fet : 10-13-01 at 11:46 AM.

10-13-01, 07:47 AM	#18
John Catto Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Londinium, UK Posts: 3,607	Fet you over here? The tailpieces I saw at Brandonis are boxed Gotohs. They only carry them in chrome (that kind of place) and didn't know of any other version. They looked pretty correct on a cursory glance and I wondered whether they are in fact the same part that Allparts sell (in nickle). Still at about £25 they're a good way for someone with a chrome hardware standard to get in on the lightweight tailpiece trail.

10-13-01, 11:50 AM	#19
The Fet Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 100	Allparts Lightweight tailpc John Yes I'm in UK. I wonder if the light weight tail piece is a standard Gotoh piece. I'll check if they have a web site. The Fet

10-15-01, 05:53 PM	#22
Buzz All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: In a Van, down by the river! Posts: 1,474	Guitar Center tags the '58 at $4,000 and the '58 authentic at 5o dollars more. I don't think they'd go any lower than about $3,600, which I know is high. I wouldn't pay more than $3,200 for these, I've seen the going prices on Ebay. I got to agree that some of these Authentics have very realistc looking tops. I'm not sure if it's because Gibson is using some of the old sawing methods, or if it's the dulled finish. I just my buy one from Guitar Center first just to make sure it's worth the money. I now play an '88 R9 with Antiquities and repainted by Murphy. I think if anyone had found a real vintage Les Paul, and it's finish was in that condition, your first instinct would be to polish it up to mirror like gloss. I think the real look is important, but I think the dull look is not necessarly more real looking. Two '58s both '01s, one an athentic had alot of damage from displays at the Guitar Renter, uh Guitar Center I went to. Really bad melted looking, they said that they were being sent back, but a month latter, they are still for sale in the store. Remember lacquer takes time to dry, but so did all the other Gibsons they sold, is there a bad batch of '01s floating about?