Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered - Page 5

Wilko · 11-11-09, 12:42 PM

And in the Solomon baby case, the worst case scenario forces the hand of both women and the honorable woman does the right thing.

In this guitar case, I'm not sure anymore which way it "should" go.

sgtJoe · 11-11-09, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Porter

I'm not saying that it didn't belong to Montrose but a photo of you playing a guitar some 30 odd years ago does not prove ownership of the guitar. I’m with Ganz – the legaglities will drag on forever and there just doesn't appear to be any real proof that he owned the guitar (reciepts, insurance doumentation).

I'd crank it to 11

Not a lot of people wrote out receipts to each other back then when guitars were bought and sold, and not a lot of people do it today either. A big part of the problem for Montrose.

CocoTone · 11-11-09, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ad_02Std

I don't get it.

Yngwie does,,,

cool hand luc · 11-11-09, 01:26 PM

Problem with the Solomon theory is that Gary Moore has had the guitar longer and played it more than Montrose so he would probably love it as much if not more.

TW59 · 11-11-09, 02:29 PM

Oh great! Now we are going to discuss who loves it more?

While I thought I did, maybe Billy really did love it more. He made efforts to get it, while I made efforts to sell it.
So who loved it more, me or Billy?

lpnv59 · 11-11-09, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TW59

Oh great! Now we are going to discuss who loves it more?

While I thought I did, maybe Billy really did love it more. He made efforts to get it, while I made efforts to sell it.
So who loved it more, me or Billy?

Yeah I wonder........

I think it was me!

Thanks again for letting me borrow that fine instrument for those jams.

If I only had another fiddy dollas that day. Then it would been me on the lamb, trying to out run these two guys and their motorcycles today.

.

CSwanston21 · 11-12-09, 08:18 AM

I still think the best solution would be for Ronnie and Gary to cut heads. If some producer does it right, and sets it up in an old school, barrel house, "crossroads" kind of way, it could be an awesome show, and might even be spread out over a few different shows in a few different venues. The winner keeps the guitar, the loser gets the gate and pay-per-view money. Or maybe better yet, the winner gets his choice between the guitar or the money. If they could scrape up somewthing in the neighborhood of a half a million dollars, that would be a pretty dramatic moment.

They both split proceeds from the sales of DVDs, CDs and merchandise.

Oh, and I get 10% for coming up with the idea.

CSwanston21 · 11-12-09, 08:18 AM

Or maybe . . . do you think they might agree to have Judge Judy decide the issue?

stevechilders · 11-12-09, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CSwanston21

I still think the best solution would be for Ronnie and Gary to cut heads. If some producer does it right, and sets it up in an old school, barrel house, "crossroads" kind of way, it could be an awesome show, and might even be spread out over a few different shows in a few different venues. The winner keeps the guitar, the loser gets the gate and pay-per-view money. Or maybe better yet, the winner gets his choice between the guitar or the money. If they could scrape up somewthing in the neighborhood of a half a million dollars, that would be a pretty dramatic moment.

They both split proceeds from the sales of DVDs, CDs and merchandise.

Oh, and I get 10% for coming up with the idea.

I'd vote for that!

TW59 · 11-12-09, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CSwanston21

Or maybe . . . do you think they might agree to have Judge Judy decide the issue?

Go with Judge Wapner.

Bluestar · 11-12-09, 10:22 AM

An item of such stature surely deserves the Thunderdome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRde...eature=related

stevechilders · 11-12-09, 11:48 AM

I'd think you'd have to lean towards the Gazza in the head cuttin competition though... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCvgE6yzoAM

lpnv59 · 11-12-09, 11:57 AM

The two of em on Survivor. Ronnie sort of looks like that ruthless guy Richard Hatch who won the first season.

Jeffrec · 11-12-09, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lpnv59

The two of em on Survivor. Ronnie sort of looks like that ruthless guy Richard Hatch who won the first season.

Is Gary still looking like Edith Bunker these days? If that's the case, then he doesn't stand a chance...Ronnie looks tougher.

lpnv59 · 11-12-09, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrec

Is Gary still looking like Edith Bunker these days? If that's the case, then he doesn't stand a chance...Ronnie looks tougher.

Edith Bunker? I dunno her!

badhabit · 11-12-09, 12:50 PM

Montrose's playing of a Strat automatically disqualifies him. Most of Paper Money was a Strat!

Wilko · 11-12-09, 01:12 PM

I think he's looking like Dewey Cox:

Rev.WillieVK · 11-12-09, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by badhabit

Montrose's playing of a Strat automatically disqualifies him. Most of Paper Money was a Strat!

Then Gary's use of a pink Strat for most of the '70s and '80s disqualifies him too...

carlygtr56 · 11-12-09, 02:06 PM

I shared a few emails with Ronnie mid to late 90's. When I asked about him and Dan Hartman switching instruments ( I had seen it on TV years earlier) he reiterated the story of the stolen Les Paul. What I took away from those emails was a guy that was still heartbroken over the loss.

Much respect for Montrose, he was always a fav player of mine-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVBMJickUeM

Ronnie and Dan 'switching"mid tune... Dan on a Strat, Ronnie on bass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR8mYPvrC6w

lpnv59 · 11-12-09, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilko

I think he's looking like Dewey Cox:

I always thought that too! But the last time I posted the two side by side, it got no reaction. The Linda Blair idea came from a buddy of mine. I figured if we're gonna "demonize" GM.....

badhabit · 11-12-09, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev.WillieVK

Then Gary's use of a pink Strat for most of the '70s and '80s disqualifies him too...

Yes, but Gary has seen the light, Ronnie went to the Darkside

Wilko · 11-12-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lpnv59

I always thought that too! But the last time I posted the two side by side, it got no reaction. The Linda Blair idea came from a buddy of mine. I figured if we're gonna "demonize" GM.....

I was pretty harsh with the guy, but this thread has made me come around to much more reasonable stance.

I do think he's pretty funny though. Like Dewey Cox.

It does n't get much funnier than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0

ScottsR9 · 11-12-09, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilko

It does n't get much funnier than this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18FgnFVm5k0

That jumpsuit is AWESOME!

m_rambler · 11-12-09, 09:44 PM

the situation is sad

the thread however is freakin hillarious

and a big +1 on

CSwanston21 · 11-12-09, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilko

I think he's looking like Dewey Cox:

Awesome call!!!:

55Custom · 11-13-09, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m_rambler

Haha! I can just hear it....

"No!No! No! It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter! Stop interupting me! It wasn't yours to buy in the first place. Be quiet when I'm talking! It's not yours!"

TW59 · 11-13-09, 02:45 AM

So ... anybody hear the rumor that J. Geils stole it from Gary Moore?

carlygtr56 · 11-13-09, 04:41 AM

roadrunner · 11-13-09, 05:48 AM

Sad subject... hilarious thread!!

Breakfastime · 11-13-09, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TW59

So ... anybody hear the rumor that J. Geils stole it from Gary Moore?

No, but I just recognized this 335 as one that was lifted from me during a gig in 1987

Ad_02Std · 11-13-09, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev.WillieVK

I love Will Ferrell, but dang, that film was a stinker.

sgtJoe · 11-13-09, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Breakfastime

No, but I just recognized this 335 as one that was lifted from me during a gig in 1987

I thought it was lifted from Alvin Lee.

CDaughtry · 11-13-09, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ad_02Std

I love Will Ferrell, but dang, that film was a stinker.

I disagree. The Sex Addicts meeting scene, by itself, was worth the price of admission.

CSwanston21 · 11-13-09, 02:49 PM

GARY MOE HOWARD?

Emerald · 11-13-09, 08:33 PM

CocoTone · 11-14-09, 04:05 AM

You put too much importance on your self Yngmoore. Gary should put you on the payroll.

CT.

honk-squawk-wail · 11-24-09, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TW59

As stated above, he knew Gary had it in 2002, in Frank3si's interview. Gary's Bursts were well documented, with serial numbers by then, or earlier.
And I had been asked, and I had answered, about the number in the 90s by someone claiming to represent Ronnie.
If Ronnie didn't know until 2007, something seems very strange about that.

Wow, what an interesting thread. Reminds me of rock candy... hard, sweet, and sticky. Appears to have dissolved into posting movie stills.

Tom, maybe this has been discussed in a different thread, but what`s the story behind how you acquired the quitar? My head is still spinning from just reading through this entire thread, yet that part of this drama seems to have not been touched upon thus far. Could you please maybe throw up a couple photos of when you had it?

Would love to see some photos of this beast, regardless of who was strumming it.

StSpider · 11-24-09, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilko

I still think that it was Montrose guitar. It was stolen, and Moore has it. Legally or not, Moore knows what an honorable man would do. Ergo, Moore is not an honorable man (in this case)

I don't see it as you do. It's easy to judge when you're not part of the story.

In many countries there are laws that gives the guy who has possession of something (might be an object or real estate) the rightful ownership in force of long, uninterrupted detention. The reason is to avoid claims like this that pops up after ages.

Gary Moore has had that guitar for more than 20 years. For as far as we know (and there's no evidence that points to the contrary) the bought it not knowing it was stolen. He PAID for that guitar, he PLAYED it for many many years, he BONDED with that guitar. Can you, honestly, after all these years, claim that that guitar is beyond any doubt more Montrose's that Moore's?

Even if you think it's not honorable to keep it, I don't think that would be an easy decision for you to make, should you give up a guitar you've bought, loved, and played for more than 20 years.

dknight16 · 11-24-09, 07:19 AM

Not new to the forum, but behavior in this thread is disappointing. I never expected to read so much sophomoric bashing in an adult forum like this one. Pathetic.

sgtJoe · 11-24-09, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dknight16

Not new to the forum, but behavior in this thread is disappointing. I never expected to read so much sophomoric bashing in an adult forum like this one. Pathetic.

Gald to have you. We adhere to the free speech doctrine here, well, at least I do, however all opinions are certainly welcome and considered.

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11-11-09, 12:42 PM	#161
Wilko All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 15,581	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered And in the Solomon baby case, the worst case scenario forces the hand of both women and the honorable woman does the right thing. In this guitar case, I'm not sure anymore which way it "should" go.

11-11-09, 01:26 PM	#164
cool hand luc Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the Cancer Conspiracy Posts: 375	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered Problem with the Solomon theory is that Gary Moore has had the guitar longer and played it more than Montrose so he would probably love it as much if not more. __________________ Gibson Les Paul Standard Heritage 80 Mesa/Boogie Mark I RI & TOO many pedals

11-11-09, 02:29 PM	#165
TW59 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lost in the Ozarks [again] Posts: 25,164	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered Oh great! Now we are going to discuss who loves it more? While I thought I did, maybe Billy really did love it more. He made efforts to get it, while I made efforts to sell it. So who loved it more, me or Billy? __________________ Pauls to the walls! Hüter der Flammen!

11-12-09, 08:18 AM	#167
CSwanston21 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 108	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered I still think the best solution would be for Ronnie and Gary to cut heads. If some producer does it right, and sets it up in an old school, barrel house, "crossroads" kind of way, it could be an awesome show, and might even be spread out over a few different shows in a few different venues. The winner keeps the guitar, the loser gets the gate and pay-per-view money. Or maybe better yet, the winner gets his choice between the guitar or the money. If they could scrape up somewthing in the neighborhood of a half a million dollars, that would be a pretty dramatic moment. They both split proceeds from the sales of DVDs, CDs and merchandise. Oh, and I get 10% for coming up with the idea.

11-12-09, 08:18 AM	#168
CSwanston21 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 108	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered Or maybe . . . do you think they might agree to have Judge Judy decide the issue?

11-12-09, 10:22 AM	#171
Bluestar In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,437	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered An item of such stature surely deserves the Thunderdome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuRde...eature=related

11-12-09, 11:48 AM	#172
stevechilders All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 742	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered I'd think you'd have to lean towards the Gazza in the head cuttin competition though... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCvgE6yzoAM __________________ back where it all begins...

11-12-09, 11:57 AM	#173
lpnv59 All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: NH/MA Bordertown USA Posts: 8,876	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered The two of em on Survivor. Ronnie sort of looks like that ruthless guy Richard Hatch who won the first season. __________________ When I was a kid, I used to pray everynight for a new bicycle. Then I realized God doesn't work that way. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me. ~ Marvin

11-12-09, 12:50 PM	#176
badhabit All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: 20 miles from where Les Paul was born Posts: 833	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered Montrose's playing of a Strat automatically disqualifies him. Most of Paper Money was a Strat! __________________ Have MERCY !!!

11-12-09, 01:12 PM	#177
Wilko All Access/Backstage Pass Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 15,581	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered I think he's looking like Dewey Cox:

11-12-09, 02:06 PM	#179
carlygtr56 Les Paul Froum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 311	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered I shared a few emails with Ronnie mid to late 90's. When I asked about him and Dan Hartman switching instruments ( I had seen it on TV years earlier) he reiterated the story of the stolen Les Paul. What I took away from those emails was a guy that was still heartbroken over the loss. Much respect for Montrose, he was always a fav player of mine- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVBMJickUeM Ronnie and Dan 'switching"mid tune... Dan on a Strat, Ronnie on bass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR8mYPvrC6w

11-12-09, 09:44 PM	#184
m_rambler Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 555	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered the situation is sad the thread however is freakin hillarious and a big +1 on

11-13-09, 02:45 AM	#187
TW59 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lost in the Ozarks [again] Posts: 25,164	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered So ... anybody hear the rumor that J. Geils stole it from Gary Moore? __________________ Pauls to the walls! Hüter der Flammen!

11-13-09, 04:41 AM	#188
carlygtr56 Les Paul Froum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 311	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered

11-13-09, 05:48 AM	#189
roadrunner In the Zone/Backstage Pass Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: NashVegas Posts: 5,403	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered Sad subject... hilarious thread!! __________________ Achieve the Possible!

11-13-09, 02:49 PM	#194
CSwanston21 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 108	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered GARY MOE HOWARD? Last edited by CSwanston21 : 11-13-09 at 05:09 PM.

11-13-09, 08:33 PM	#195
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11-14-09, 04:05 AM	#196
CocoTone Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Baltimore Ontario Posts: 885	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered You put too much importance on your self Yngmoore. Gary should put you on the payroll. CT. __________________ "I'm the one's got to die when it's time for me to die. So let me live my life the way I want to" Jimi http://www.myspace.com/thefabuloustonemasters

11-24-09, 07:19 AM	#199
dknight16 Les Paul Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 27	Re: Montrose v Moore - Judgment has Entered Not new to the forum, but behavior in this thread is disappointing. I never expected to read so much sophomoric bashing in an adult forum like this one. Pathetic.