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    70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Hello all. This is my first post to the forum. I bought a 70's Les Paul today with an unusual bridge. It's a Schaller 456 wraparound bridge with fine tuners. I pulled it off with the intention of replacing it with a standard tune-o-matic. Here's the unusual part...the bridge has studs and inserts that are spaced for a wraparound tailpiece, but there's also studs and inserts for a standard tailpiece. These were clearly done at the factory. If the holes for a standard bridge were drilled (2-3/4" spacing) and then later spaced further apart to accommodate a wraparound bridge, I'd see evidence of previous holes and dowels (it's a translucent red finish). And if the tailpiece holes were drilled later, how did they mount a bridge on the wider (3-1/4") spacing? So here's my question to the group: If the Schaller was installed at the factory, why did they also drill for a standard tailpiece? Is there another type of bridge or vibrato that uses two sets of tailpiece spacing? Any help is greatly appreciated. [IMG]


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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    I think that is a refinished goldtop.

    There are dowels plugging the original bridge posts under the trans/red.

    But, would be covered by drilling for tailpiece bushings.

    Why ? IDK

    More pics would be helpful.

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by WBailey View Post
    I think that is a refinished goldtop.

    There are dowels plugging the original bridge posts under the trans/red.

    But, would be covered by drilling for tailpiece bushings.

    Why ? IDK

    More pics would be helpful.


    That's a good explanation, but I'm fairly certain that the original bridge inserts would not be completely covered by the new "tailpiece" inserts. Coincidentally, I'm considering converting the bridge to a normal configuration, and then making it a Goldtop to cover up the mess. Last night I saw a YouTube video for the Stetsbar, a top-mounted vibrato that mounts using the tailpiece holes. That is another option. Thanks for your input.

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by WBailey View Post
    I think that is a refinished goldtop.

    There are dowels plugging the original bridge posts under the trans/red.

    But, would be covered by drilling for tailpiece bushings.

    Why ? IDK

    More pics would be helpful.


    You might be correct...it might have been a goldtop. The finish on the top is considerably better than the rest of the guitar. Well done!

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    The exact origins of that combination tailpiece shall forever remain a mystery. Clearly influenced by Gibson's TP-6 fine tuning tailpiece. Extremely uncommon IMO.
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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    . These were clearly done at the factory...

    Not factory work.


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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Early 70s would not have had inserts for the bridge, and the holes would not be left after the massive drilling for this bridge which was clearly designed for a wrap application. No reason to believe that is factory, specially considering the lack of compensation angle.

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    Early 70s would not have had inserts for the bridge, and the holes would not be left after the massive drilling for this bridge which was clearly designed for a wrap application. No reason to believe that is factory, specially considering the lack of compensation angle.
    Exactly. Non original modified refin.
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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Man, people were smoking a lot of dope in the '70s! Oh, sorry, I mean "grass"!

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilko View Post
    Early 70s would not have had inserts for the bridge, and the holes would not be left after the massive drilling for this bridge which was clearly designed for a wrap application. No reason to believe that is factory, specially considering the lack of compensation angle.
    Thanks for your insight. If there weren't bridge inserts, the new inserts would definitely hide the previous holes. I pulled the pickups, and the inside is red. No trace of gold. The mystery is solved!

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Those pickups aren't original and have been routed for humbuckers. It is fair to assume the cavities are not original. Nothing in the photo appears original to the guitar with the thumbslicers excepted. Depending upon yom the speed knobs may be, if late 70's. The new bushings could indeed cover nashville bushings so lack of dowel is inconclusive.
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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Cavity pictures would be helpful (and just fun) and would answer a lot of questions.

    It's possible the guitar came with humbuckers. Very rare possibilty that it shipped red. The bridge posts? no way.

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by Gene View Post
    Thanks for your insight. If there weren't bridge inserts, the new inserts would definitely hide the previous holes. I pulled the pickups, and the inside is red. No trace of gold. The mystery is solved!
    Really!?

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    Really!?
    Nobody told me this was a mystery !

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Some pics of all cavities would help.

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    Re: 70's Les Paul Deluxe with unusual bridge

    Quote Originally Posted by guitplayer View Post
    Some pics of all cavities would help.
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    Best $600 I ever spent. Thanks for everyone's help!

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