J T
Well-known member
- Joined
- Oct 20, 2005
- Messages
- 10,501
... so called Gibson USA Les Pauls. Wasn't all called that before the CC began?...
No.
... so called Gibson USA Les Pauls. Wasn't all called that before the CC began?...
Don't feed the Troll. Do a search, it will astound you.
Do you mean "CC" as in Collectors Choice or do you mean "CS" as in Custom Shop, if you mean "CC" what were you "into"?
Right on, I gotcha now.
Reminds me of our last rehearsal debate. "Please explain to me, how in the hell can Jolene be better looking than Dolly Parton?" lol
I'm sure how a guitar sounds mostly comes from the player. Gary Moore on many gigs of wich some is on record or DVD (Like the Monsters Of Rock CD/DVD) played both his Greenie, other vintage Les Pauls and his new Signature Les Paul wich was no Custom Shop guitar. He sounded just as good on that one. In fact he does a killer version of Don't Believe A Word on that guitar and it's one of the best tones he's had on a live recording of that song.My earlier post in the other thread was maybe too flamboyant a description. The '60 I played just sounded nothing like any other LP I ever encountered, and Al's right it was just one individual guitar. Do I think I can tell between everything? Of course not, that's nuts, especially a USA vs. CS shootout. They're all on their own for tone with a little push one way or another from the model type and pickups. I am pretty darn sure I could tell that particular guitar from the other high end Gibson's I've played though. It had a very distinct sound. Carter, Gruhn, and Rumbleseat are pretty much within walking distance from each other and I set out that day to play as much insane Gibson stuff as I could. Just observations from the day on tone. I'm not out to upset anyone so don't take it personal.
The name of this thread was an invitation for my opinion, so I gave it. I was also admitting in the thread that was referenced that my USA which I do love and is a great example of a LP regardless of flavor, isn't even close to a real burst, so it was an equal opportunity assessment of what I think of the one real Burst I've played in comparison to the other LP's. I own custom shop guitars, just none from Gibson, I'm not a high end basher.
Well i don't have anything against them who buys CS or TH guitars. It's up to them even if you maybe could get two or three guitars that would do the job as well for the same money. I don't have anything against cork sniffers either. It's totally ok to care more about that the guitar is made just like in the 50's with even the same glue than if it will sound and play good. Shame they can't get a Braz fingerboard on them. It's almost funny how some can become so upset. It's just a guitar we're talking about. Maybe i haven't played a real Burst and for sure there is much i don't know about guitars like specs and some technical things. But i sure know how a good guitar sounds and feels.I was wondering when you would show up. Mats, you are a troll, plain and simple. You posted that you had a CS Les paul and didn't like it as you felt the neck was too big for your tastes. Fine, no one had a problem. You posted that you bought a USA Standard and loved it. Again all was fine and no one took issue with that. Then you went on a multiple posts, multiple thread spree and launched a crusade against the Historic and CC Les Pauls and branded those of us who liked or owned them as Cork Sniffers, snobs and elitists. I wasn't the only one put off by your constant garage against our choice of guitar. All those posts are still there, your words and actions have led many of us to clearly understand your agenda.
If you remember, many of us, myself included, tried to give you the benefit of the doubt as we thought that maybe English was a second language, and that maybe something was coming across as unintended by you as a result. You continued to behave in the same way and got called out. That you enter this thread and start off with the Corksniffer name calling and your obvious desire to further your own agenda against Custom Shop Gibsons is again plainly evident for anyone to see. This is why I get so testy. It gets very old.
It's totally ok to care more about that the guitar is made just like in the 50's with even the same glue than if it will sound and play good.
I didn't say all did i? I believe most guitar players is more interested in playing than sniffing on guitars. But there are some that seems to care more about the glue and the top. That is totally ok but they get so offended if you comment on it. A great player makes a guitar great. A bad player will make any guitar bad. The glue and top won't save them.
I didn't say all did i? I believe most guitar players is more interested in playing than sniffing on guitars. But there are some that seems to care more about the glue and the top. That is totally ok but they get so offended if you comment on it. A great player makes a guitar great. A bad player will make any guitar bad. The glue and top won't save them.
Big Al is one of the most knowledgeable folks on this forum .
Big Al, you seem like a no-nonsense type of guy and I enjoy many of your posts. I can see how some of thse posts here got under your skin. There are some types of posts that particularly irk me too.
To be fair, I'm not really familiar with the current USA Gibsons to make any type of tonal conclusion. I would think with care and a talented player and perhaps a pickup swap that great results can be had from those guitars.
But I don't see why that should matter to you or any of Mats A opinions. It wouldn't change my view of the Historics I've owned and own. I'm sure it doesn't change yours. I don't think it would change someone's mind buying a historic Les Paul anymore than a great sounding Epiphone Les Paul would change someone's mind about their Gibson USA.
When I looked for a Les Paul. I wanted a guitar that could get me as close to the iconic Gibson Les Paul's that I admire. Gibson's Historic line is the closest Les Paul I can get short of buying a Burst.
Since all guitars have their own unique sonic fingerprint generalities are for me highly suspect. Sure you can talk about build quality, multiple pieces of wood, weight relief, tenon size but why bother. I wanted to find a Les Paul that speaks to me and gives me the tone I hear in my head while also providing the feel, playability and aesthetics that I look for in a Les Paul. Therefore, for me, the only guitar that has a chance of meeting this criteria is a Gibson Historic Les Paul. However great or not great a certain Gibson USA is or sounds to Mats A or anyone else is irrelevant to me. If you think about it, it probabaly is to you as well.