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    Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I've had mine a bit over a month now. I really like it. I have done some mods.
    Just wondering what all you other LPF guys here think? And if anyone else has modded theirs?
    Cheers!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    yeah, it is the best epi I have ever played coming from china. I have been critical of epis lacking quality concerning their fretboards and the fretwork..i am happy to say this one is flawless !!

    probably gonna mod the guitar


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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Hard to fault. Way better than other Epi's. Great sounding but very weak pickup. My stock Melody Makers are louder. Tailpiece/bridge intonates perfect. Pots and cap gotta go.
    The older I get, the better I was.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Al View Post
    Hard to fault. Way better than other Epi's. Great sounding but very weak pickup. My stock Melody Makers are louder. Tailpiece/bridge intonates perfect. Pots and cap gotta go.
    Al; The problem, as I see it, is that the pickup angle in the surround/ring doesn't lay at the same angle as the strings passing over it. I usually take some foam and shim the underside of the pickup so the pickup is on the same axis as the strings. Made a big difference. I did, however, replace the pickup with a Klein and I'm going to try out an RC. He uses Alnico IV. He had an original magnet destroyed and analyzed and it was A-4! But I think if you got the pickup on the same axis as the string you'd have more output. I was able to adjust mine up really close without getting any "wolftones". I still use a Duncan "Pickup Booster" on my guitars with mini's and single coils. It evens out the volume differences between my L.P.'s & ES-335's vs. the FB & Melody Makers(a `60 & `61)

    Mods: Bridge=ABM bell brass wrapover(compensated), 1.20" steel bushings, 1961 Centralab 500K(volume) & 250k(tone), Sprague 160P .022 cap. Swapped out the pickguard for one that doesn't have a Firebird on it like was used in `63 & a Gibson TRC. I did get a set of those plastic tuner buttons from WD Music. Balances out very nicely now.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Really enjoying mine! It's on par as with the other higher price point Epiphone's (61 Casino and 62 Sheraton reissues which I also own). While I've modified several of my other guitars,I haven't modified this one and don't really plan to. After hearing Joe play these on the promo videos, I learned I just gotta play the damn thing. I've modified less and less on my axes of the years.

    Here's sort of a rundown on the my overall impressions:

    Overall tone sort of reminds me if you could combine a Telecaster and Les Paul.

    The single pickup is killer! Love exploring the tonal options with it. Can go from clean to fat leads quite easily.

    Tuners are a bit stiff but the guitar does stay in tune very well.

    Fretwork is simply perfect and the rosewood used on this particular guitar is fantastic- very deep and rich color.

    Gold finish was applied very well.

    Body routes along the belly cut could have been better. Looks a bit crooked at the end of the cut.

    It's a very vibrant and live sounding guitar. The wraparound bridge really allows the guitar to sing acoustically.

    IMO it's a keeper 🤘

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephens View Post
    Really enjoying mine! It's on par as with the other higher price point Epiphone's (61 Casino and 62 Sheraton reissues which I also own). While I've modified several of my other guitars,I haven't modified this one and don't really plan to. After hearing Joe play these on the promo videos, I learned I just gotta play the damn thing. I've modified less and less on my axes of the years.

    Here's sort of a rundown on the my overall impressions:

    Overall tone sort of reminds me if you could combine a Telecaster and Les Paul.

    The single pickup is killer! Love exploring the tonal options with it. Can go from clean to fat leads quite easily.

    Tuners are a bit stiff but the guitar does stay in tune very well.

    Fretwork is simply perfect and the rosewood used on this particular guitar is fantastic- very deep and rich color.

    Gold finish was applied very well.

    Body routes along the belly cut could have been better. Looks a bit crooked at the end of the cut.

    It's a very vibrant and live sounding guitar. The wraparound bridge really allows the guitar to sing acoustically.

    IMO it's a keeper ��

    Belly cut is pretty much like the originals. They're sort of like 1/2 done, but that's how they did them..
    Tuners: you can loosen the screw that hold the button on and that will make the tuners smoother. I know the folks that own Kluson, WD Music went to great lengths to make these even better than the ones they offered about 12 years ago. They wanted the shape to be exact, but the insides are of a higher quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    Belly cut is pretty much like the originals. They're sort of like 1/2 done, but that's how they did them..
    Tuners: you can loosen the screw that hold the button on and that will make the tuners smoother. I know the folks that own Kluson, WD Music went to great lengths to make these even better than the ones they offered about 12 years ago. They wanted the shape to be exact, but the insides are of a higher quality.
    Nice, thanks for the tip Don!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Anytime! Thanks!!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Finally got my sunburst FB1 yesterday, and so far I'm absolutely loving it!
    Easily the nicest Epi I've ever played.
    Frets and finish are excellent.
    Very comfortable neck.
    A little neck heavy, but not too bad. Goes with the territory on these..
    I'm sure I'll swap out the pots/cap at some point with vintage type stuff... Just my constant tweaking..
    Haven't had much chance to crank it up to check out the pickup yet, but so far everything is awesome!!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Not that the stock pickup sounded terrible, but I wanted something that was just a bit more like I remember the old ones sounding. I got a really wonderful Firebird pickup from RC Pickups that sounds more vintage than the Klein or the Ant. to my memory:
    http://www.rcpickups.com/humbucking.html
    BTW, really nice guy to deal with too!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I love mine so far. No complaints but do wish the back color would have been darker but one of these days a refin might be in order. It is what it is. Ive always wanted a Firebird I but didn't want to spend 3 or 4 grand on a CS reissue. The finish and fit on mine is on par with what you would see on a regular USA Firebird. The board on mine looks good with the exception of the cheap plastic inlays but those should be easy to replace.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I tried one out in a local shop, I really dug it!!

    it was the gold version. I think I prefer the burst though

    it's the coolest new guitar they have come out with IMO
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Polymist Gold in bound tomorrow..... Really looking forward to it!
    Lost in the middle of a Brazillian rosewood
    fingerboard......

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Are the bushing/studs standard or metric on these?
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Chinese guitars use metric hardware.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by EFLOW View Post
    Chinese guitars use metric hardware.
    Yeah I know, I was just hopin' that maybe they went the extra mile on these since everything else is so nice.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Be fast, only 600 ex. were made.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by EFLOW View Post
    Be fast, only 600 ex. were made.
    I bought one in Japan Saturday and they mailed it to Okinawa on Sunday. I should have it in hand on Tues. $725. out the door with the exchange rate. They shipped it free too!
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    It's hard to believe how well these guitars play and sound coming out of a Chinese factory. Mine delivers as well as any Custom Shop guitar. The pots work really well so I get all kinds of tones out of it, plugged straight into whatever amp is at rehearsals. It's light and looks badass. I really like how these mini-humbuckers sit between a P-90 and a humbucker. Clarity but still fat. You'd be mad not to get one.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    really? they only made 600?

    is that both finishes?

    I was hoping to order one without the belly cut.

    the belly cut on a firebird just makes the body stick into my gut more, as the centerline where it hangs is right at the "bulge", rather than where the belly cut is
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    The thing about mine, I got it last nite, is that the studs are so loose in the bushings that they noticeably tilt fwd. No big deal those as they are going to be replaced. I was quite surprised about the tuners. I love FB's but hate the tuners. These were quite smooth and stay in tune. I got the plastic buttons which makes more of a difference than you might think. All in all very nice, no complaints.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Did they use a Gibson style rod/adjustment on these or is it still that big metric nut inside the truss channel? Firebirds already have a sensitive headstock, a big metric nut means even less wood where it's needed the most so if you've got one be cautious. People think Gibson headstocks break, search ebay for "not working" Epi's and you'll see a lot of breaks even with the big scarf joint right there in the more traditional guitars.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    There was a B-stock available at Thomann in Germany so I bought it immediately.
    I have been watching them since they were announced, so I am looking forward to get it!
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by deytookerjaabs View Post
    Did they use a Gibson style rod/adjustment on these or is it still that big metric nut inside the truss channel? Firebirds already have a sensitive headstock, a big metric nut means even less wood where it's needed the most so if you've got one be cautious. People think Gibson headstocks break, search ebay for "not working" Epi's and you'll see a lot of breaks even with the big scarf joint right there in the more traditional guitars.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I think I got lucky as I slightly tweaked the rod on mine when I got in late Dec. and haven't touched it since!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I've placed an order for a gold one, which I found for a very good price (750$, including shipping and norwegian taxes)
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Jones View Post
    There was a B-stock available at Thomann in Germany so I bought it immediately.
    I have been watching them since they were announced, so I am looking forward to get it!


    And now it is here. I just had the time to plug it in and try it out and it is a really good guitar. I don't think I have ever played a Firebird so it is a new playing experience too, which is fun after 30 years of playing guitar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roe View Post
    I've placed an order for a gold one, which I found for a very good price (750$, including shipping and norwegian taxes)
    after 10 weeks, the guitar finally shipped. the seller complained about the CITES paperwork
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I like mine but I don't think it's anywhere near what comes out of the Custom Shop like someone said.

    I sanded mine down and refinished it, changed the pickup to a Lollar and added new pots and cap. For what I paid it's a nice guitar, but I would rather have a Gibson USA model for the money I spent on the pickups and the caps but it was a fun project.

    I have an Elliot Easton Firebird that's better in every way, but it was also a lot more money.

    I play mine once in a while and I like it. I don't play it all the time.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I finally got mine yesterday. Looks and sounds great but it needed a setup. It came with high action and needed to be intonated. The bridge wasn't notched at all and the string spacing was very uneven. And the nut is too high. The finish looks very nice but is quite far from perfect. The neck was bowed but adjusting the truss rod helped with that, except the last frets (on the body) are still a little too high, resulting in a little fret buzz at the 19th fret. I'll try to experiment with the truss rod and to raise the action again (its not low now, its 1.7mm or more than 1/16" at the high e and 2.2mm at the low E)
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Yeah dig mine so far had it a little more than a month I guess? I'm going to try a little better version of the wraptail next string change. I may change to a Duncan 'Bird pickup since I have a few to mess with see what difference it makes.

    Gigged with it the day after I got it, works fine. Those are tuners odd but sooooo cool, they did a nice job re-creating them.


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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wattage View Post
    Yeah dig mine so far had it a little more than a month I guess? I'm going to try a little better version of the wraptail next string change. I may change to a Duncan 'Bird pickup since I have a few to mess with see what difference it makes.

    Gigged with it the day after I got it, works fine. Those are tuners odd but sooooo cool, they did a nice job re-creating them.

    it's got the vintage correct pickguard shape. Not even the historics have that
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wattage View Post
    Yeah dig mine so far had it a little more than a month I guess? I'm going to try a little better version of the wraptail next string change. I may change to a Duncan 'Bird pickup since I have a few to mess with see what difference it makes.

    Gigged with it the day after I got it, works fine. Those are tuners odd but sooooo cool, they did a nice job re-creating them.

    I've got a Duncan Antiquity in mine and it sounds great. Also, I put a MojoAxe compensated tailpiece on mine. The original did intonate correctly but the MojoAxe is just a better tailpiece all the way around.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I got the antiquities in a Firebird V and I think the bonamassa pickup holds its own in the FBI. The former sounds like A5 and the latter A2. The former is a little bright and cutting, the latter fatter and more compressed
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I dropped in a Duncan Seymourized FB pickup I had and it sounds killer, not vintage of course butit still sounds like a 'Bird. Makes the guitar much more band friendly for me. Love this guitar.

    I have a Gotoh conpensated tailpiece to put on next string change, it has the vintage correct compensation fwiw.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wattage View Post
    I dropped in a Duncan Seymourized FB pickup I had and it sounds killer, not vintage of course butit still sounds like a 'Bird. Makes the guitar much more band friendly for me. Love this guitar.

    I have a Gotoh conpensated tailpiece to put on next string change, it has the vintage correct compensation fwiw.
    Vintage correct won't intonate unless you use a wound G string. My Epi is an excellent bird.
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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    I've never really wanted an epiphone or a chinese guitar but I have to admit this is very intriguing

    cool guitar!

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Is the guitar poly or nitro?

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Mine feels like a poly finish. It's applied well and does not feel overly thick. Quite a resonant Guitar acoustically.

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    Re: Joe B Firebird I/Treasure. What's everyone think?

    Finish is poly on both.
    If you want a great bridge that really improves the tone & sustain, get the Bell Brass Wrapover from ABM in Germany. I also installed a Nylon nut like the original would have. There's a gentleman here that goes by RandK who is CNC'ing Nylon nuts. I think you can probably find him in the Classifieds and I know he's been selling some on EBay. Really great quality!!

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