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    1966 es-345... Refin?

    Hey all, I'm potentially going to buy a 1966 ES-345 from a seller on ebay. The guitar looks great, nice and worn in. The only detail that's throwing me off is the presence of a bit of red paint inside one of the f-holes... Do any of the experts have an opinion on this? Could it be a sign of a refin? Thanks!






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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Cool looking 345.

    Not to hijack the thread, but what are the signs of a refin?
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by ZZ Not View Post
    Cool looking 345.

    Not to hijack the thread, but what are the signs of a refin?
    Quote Originally Posted by guitarmory View Post
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    The only detail that's throwing me off is the presence of a bit of red paint inside one of the f-holes... Do any of the experts have an opinion on this? Could it be a sign of a refin? Thanks!
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Capital, thanks for the input... so that's one for a refin.

    Here's the auction link in case anyone wants a closer look.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gibson-Stere...vip=true&rt=nc

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Why is the binding white around the back of the body while it is nicely yellowed everywhere else??? I could expect some white areas where the binding was contacted during playing....but it is white all the way around the body. Odd looking to my eye.
    Not much money for it, though.
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Hmm... Let me rephrase that. What are the signs of a less than obvious refin, such as a professionally done refinish?
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Dude that finish is right as rain

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Re: those 'red spots'..... Imho, that is not indicative of a refin. I would hazard a guess that someone has had the electronics out of the guitar and did some touch up where the red was blemished in the f-holes....and a few drops of the touch up paint ended up inside the body???? That guess could be wrong....but what I see of the cherry red looks good to me...much like my '66...just not as clean.
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    That finish is original. Look at the way it's sunk into the wood and the vertical spider line checking on the back of the body.
    Last edited by DEVILBAT; 01-29-14 at 12:33 PM.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    DEVILBAT, what do you think of that white binding?? IF that just the result of the photo process...direction of shot vis-a-vis the flash???
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    I have plenty of older Gibson guitars with whiter binding up and down the fretboard that doesn't turn yellow until it gets into the higher registers.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by DEVILBAT View Post
    I have plenty of older Gibson guitars with whiter binding up and down the fretboard that doesn't turn yellow until it gets into the higher registers.
    And that is a function of wearing by contact of the clear lacquer, which is what yellows. I am accustomed to wear points showing whiter than the areas that do not get the contact. IF I were interested in that guitar, I would have to have a shot of the back from another angle....and the binding might show to be as yellow as the rest of the binding that we see. IF it is white all the way around the back in a uniform manner, that is odd..
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    I don't know but with those knobs, bigsby and S/N is that not a candidate for a 62?

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    LPunbound, that is a 6 digit number there. IT is good for '66, '69, and a few years in the '70's. My '66 is the same way. IF the seller had given the nut width; the knobs and the orange label place it as a '66 with no other details needed, IIRC.
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Other pics in the ebay auction , show the binding to be a uniform yellow, I think the flash washed out the true color on some shots.


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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    That looks fine. Don't forget that the cherry red is stained on these, then clear coated. It just looks like a tiny bit of stain ended up inside the guitar.

    The guy doing the guitar that day probably slipped. Nothing to worry about.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Finish looks right but I'd ask for a photo of the neck pickup rout so you can inspect the neck tenon. That heel looks mighty big.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKGuitar View Post
    Finish looks right but I'd ask for a photo of the neck pickup rout so you can inspect the neck tenon. That heel looks mighty big.
    OKGuitar, when I first saw that heel, something looked a bit strange. I just pullled my '66 ES-345 out....#8083xx. This picture in this thread makes things look big. the pic blows things way up, but the proportions of that peg vis-a-vis the measurements of that heel from the joint to the edge of the carve match mine...roughly 1.5 times the width of the peg. NOtice also that the picture stretches things top to bottom. That peg looks oval shaped instead of round. Considering this, I don't think there is a problem there.
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Wally your right. 62 is five digits not six, my mistake. Sorry for the diversion everyone.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Okguitar, I've asked for a snap of the pu route... I'm waiting to hear back. The heel looks similar to others I've seen on the net, but I'm no expert.

    So, if the neck checks out I guess the consensus is that the rest looks good!

    Thanks for your comments

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Wally, care to post a pic of your 66? Anyone else got one?

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    as per DEVILBATs comments, that finish looks right. My 355 had similar spots inside it's f-hole.
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    This is one awesome looking ES. Tastiest cherry. I hope you get her

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by sharky View Post
    This is one awesome looking ES. Tastiest cherry. I hope you get her
    Nice finish, with a patina that's hard to fake.

    That cherry's ripe. I'd pluck it.
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    and the nice cathedrale figuring of the maple really does it for me

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    I pulled the trigger last night... I'll give a report when she arrives.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Anyone have a set of double line gold klusons they want to sell?

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Another vote here for original finish.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by kharrison View Post
    Another vote here for original finish.
    +2 on the finish. Original all the way in my book.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    What do you guys think the chances are of finding pre t-top pus in this baby? Does it make sense to take the covers off to find out?

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    That ain't finish in the F-Hole. It looks like wine. Somebody dropped a glass while playing (or the lady didn't like the divided attention....)

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitarmory View Post
    I pulled the trigger last night... I'll give a report when she arrives.
    Congrats!

    More pictures, please. As my stepfather used to say, "they're demandatory."
    If it sounds good, it is good.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitarmory View Post
    I pulled the trigger last night... I'll give a report when she arrives.
    Awesome! Can't wait to get a tone report and more pics!

    Congrats, and enjoy!

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    That ain't finish in the F-Hole. It looks like wine. Somebody dropped a glass while playing (or the lady didn't like the divided attention....)
    It's blood. Somebody cut themselves doing windmills.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Quote Originally Posted by guitarmory View Post
    What do you guys think the chances are of finding pre t-top pus in this baby? Does it make sense to take the covers off to find out?
    Likely.

    I have a 1967 ES-345 and that has pre T-tops. Not only that but they also still have maroon wire (black and white leads though).

    EDIT: I also looked inside the f hole of my 1961 ES-330 this morning and it too has tiny spots of red stain in there.
    Last edited by Frutiger; 02-01-14 at 07:06 AM.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Well, she finally arrived... here she is with her elder sibling 64 330 (sorry for the crappy pic)... She's all original save for the tuners and bridge, but the bridge ended up being an ABR-1 with brass saddles so thats ok! I couldn't help myself from checking under the pu covers... the neck is a purple wire double black lead patent sticker and the bridge is an orange wire black and white lead patent sticker! It sounds amazing and is the first varitone guitar I've owned. I was debating doing the 335 conversion but I don't think I'm gonna touch a thing. Skinny neck as I predicted, but still very playable. I'm a happy camper.


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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Good deal!
    If it sounds good, it is good.

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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Kudos.... and I take it that the 'whiteness' of the back binding thatI was seeing in the pics was just the result of the photography/lighting, right?
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    Re: 1966 es-345... Refin?

    Yep, the finish is fine... just the usual spots where the finish has been worn through to the binding

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    Awesome, and what a great pair they make. Congrats!

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