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    New 2013 custom buckers?

    Has anyone had a chance to try these new custom buckers? Very interested to what makes them custom? I hope by putting a A3 in them there are not just calling that custom?

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    that is pretty much it. maybe they were running out of names! but they have been using them in artist guitars and collectors' choice guitars for a couple of years.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    In the C.C guitars there wound to sound like the original pups in those guitars. From what i am told the others are wound different also.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Everything is "custom" from Gibson Custom!
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    How concerned are they about the used market, though?
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    I agree with JimmyAce, that's hogwash. They put whatever in the guitars and don't make any special attempt at mimicking one particular guitar's sound, outside of coil-splitting and the like on some models.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Ask tom about his sandy,,,

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    My CC4 Sandy does sound different than my other R9's. Just the luck of the draw? I dunno...

    According to Gibson, intentional.

    Gibson:
    "exposed zebra-coil humbuckers with Alnico 3 magnets, accurate coil winds, and offset square-window bobbins"

    So they made at least 600 of these pu's
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyace2006 View Post
    that is pretty much it. maybe they were running out of names! but they have been using them in artist guitars and collectors' choice guitars for a couple of years.
    Wildwood spec humbuckers have been using the A3s mags for a while.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Lets see all these are Custombuckers..
    2012 CC#4 Sandy bridge 7.74ohm/neck 7.93 ohm
    2012 CC#4 Sandy bridge 7.74ohm/neck 7.93 ohm
    2013 R9 bridge 7.790hm/neck 7.93ohm
    2013 R9 bridge 7.92ohm/neck 7.90ohm

    all A3 magnets.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Had a Beano with A3 pickups. I now have a Sandy. They sound quite a bit different. I suppose that isn't saying much considering two guitars with regular Burstbuckers could sound a lot different.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Given the low windings of the new pickups, I assume they must be brighter than average with low mids?

    I'm not sure that's a good thing.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderchunk View Post
    Given the low windings of the new pickups, I assume they must be brighter than average with low mids?

    I'm not sure that's a good thing.
    I tend to think that the A3 mags reduce some low-end, too, but not drastically. They're not as hot or as robust as Burstbuckers, but I think it's safe to say that they have a harmonically richer tonal character to them.

    BTW, the Custom Buckers in my '11 Dave's 30th Ann. model measure out to about 8.0K on the bridge and about 7.9K on the neck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J T View Post
    My CC4 Sandy does sound different than my other R9's. Just the luck of the draw? I dunno...

    According to Gibson, intentional.

    Gibson:
    "exposed zebra-coil humbuckers with Alnico 3 magnets, accurate coil winds, and offset square-window bobbins"

    So they made at least 600 of these pu's

    It doesn't say accurate to what.....? Sandy, or 1950s PAFs? It also says offset square window bobbins. The offset square window bobbins applies to all 50s PAFs; and in the context of that sentence, it goes with the "accurate coil winds". So, it applies to the average PAF, not just to Sandy. They don't even know how many winds are on the Sandy pickups. For one, the original PAFs in Sandy are probably AL5 magnets, not AL3. So the winds would be completely different if they tried to match a guitar's pickups. And even if they did, they would still sound different in every guitar since every guitar is different and every AL3 magnet is a little different. The Custom Buckers represent Gibson's best guess to PAF sound as of today, nothing more. Otherwise, for special winds, they would be renamed like the Page AL3 burst buckers.

    And of course it will sound different from your other R9s; especially if the others are using burst buckers (AL2 magnet). And if your other R9s have Custom Buckers, I'll bet they do not have exposed bobbins like Sandy. That makes a noticeable difference in sound....aside from the two guitars will sound different anyway. And we have not even talked about what effect different pots & caps are having on the sound. There is no way to truly do an A/B comparison in the different guitars.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Besides the ohms measurement of the PAFs in my '59 Burst, there were no sound comparisons done by Gibson when my CC#6 was produced.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by cryptozoo View Post
    not so fast!!!!
    This is what Gibson said for this run
    Digital analysis of the guitar reveals a dish carve with a subtle flatness, and a neck profile with just enough "cheek" for the optimum in-hand feel, while its ideal specifications are further echoed in a very slight difference in bridge and neck pickup outputs. In short, the Collector's Choice™ #6 1959 Les Paul #9-1918 is an impeccable recreation of one of the world's most desirable vintage electric guitars.

    They didn't say anything about the sound.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    My Factory Burst Dark Burst has the Custom Buckers and they are totally amazing sounding. Smooth and great overtones. Or maybe it´s the 2 piece fingerboard

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by poon99 View Post
    not so fast!!!!
    This is what Gibson said for this run
    Digital analysis of the guitar reveals a dish carve with a subtle flatness, and a neck profile with just enough "cheek" for the optimum in-hand feel, while its ideal specifications are further echoed in a very slight difference in bridge and neck pickup outputs. In short, the Collector's Choice™ #6 1959 Les Paul #9-1918 is an impeccable recreation of one of the world's most desirable vintage electric guitars.

    They didn't say anything about the sound.
    That doesn't prove anything to me. The ohm measurements shown earlier in the thread have a "slight difference in bridge and neck pickups", whether they are in Sandy or the R9s. That statement is nothing more than a marketer's drivel, meant to embellish what it really is and build up the guitar. The truth is that Custom Buckers are Custom Buckers, and in my opinion, possibly some of the nicest pickups Gibson has made to date. But they are not "custom" made differently for different guitar runs - again, if they were, they would have separate names like the Page burst buckers with AL3 magnets and Page windings. Gibson could have saved a lot of confusion by naming them something without the word "Custom" in the name.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by poon99 View Post
    an impeccable recreation of one of the world's most desirable vintage electric guitars.
    impeccable really?

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Just curious to know if these new CustomBuckers are wax potted like the BurstBuckers were?

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by raph View Post
    impeccable really?
    As impeccable as a reissue can be. So - "sort of" impeccable....
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Here's the breakdown of Gibson "reissue" humbuckers

    They have the "mismatched" coil burstbucker #1 (~7.8k), #2 (~8.1K), and #3 (~8.5k) - Alnico II
    They have the "matched" coil '57 Classic (~8.0k) and Classic Plus (~8.7K) - Alnico II

    Take any burstbucker and substitite an Alnico V magnet and it becomes a "Pro" or simply BB#x Alnico V

    Throw in an Alnico III in and it becomes a signature model pickup (DC resistance will determine which base pickup it is derived from).

    Add 4-wire conductor and it becomes yadda yadda

    It is possible that there are a few unique winds, i.e. Wildwood spec, but I'd imagine they are some sort of combination of the "menu" of existing bobbin and magnet options.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    I don't get the fad of low output humbuckers below 8.0K. Might be fine for a Jazz guitar but sort of defeats the purpose for pushing an amp into the hard heavy zone. The 9.0K or over is just fine by me, otherwise give me a green boost to make it heavy.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Here is a demo of a Page #2 LP; first part of the song is an AL3 Page burstbucker in the neck position; then it switches to the bridge pickup = Page #2 burstbucker (AL5):




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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    I have never found A3's to have the stuff that a A2 has. But i bet if a played a pickup and no one told me what magnet was in it i would be hard pressed to tell if it was a A2 or 3?
    I posted below some quick facts about what makes a A3 truly different to the others.

    Alnico Magnet Types and Gauss
    The II thru V Alnico numbering system is used to indicate the specific alloy each type of Alnico magnet is composed of. Alnico stands for ALuminum, NIckel, and CObalt. Other than iron (which comprises about 50% of all Alnico magnets), these are the main metals used in Alnico magnets – plus all grades but Alnico IV have a bit of copper in them too. And, interestingly, Alnico III contains no cobalt. So, we see the recipe for each Alnico grade is different, with the ratio of metals in each alloy varying quite a bit.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by randall View Post
    Alnico Magnet Types and Gauss
    The II thru V Alnico numbering system is used to indicate the specific alloy each type of Alnico magnet is composed of. Alnico stands for ALuminum, NIckel, and CObalt. Other than iron (which comprises about 50% of all Alnico magnets), these are the main metals used in Alnico magnets – plus all grades but Alnico IV have a bit of copper in them too. And, interestingly, Alnico III contains no cobalt. So, we see the recipe for each Alnico grade is different, with the ratio of metals in each alloy varying quite a bit.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyace2006 View Post
    Here is a demo of a Page #2 LP; first part of the song is an AL3 Page burstbucker in the neck position; then it switches to the bridge pickup = Page #2 burstbucker (AL5):



    That's some serious riffing and great example between the two ...
    The A5 sound as Jeff Beck would say is the Ball's...

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyace2006 View Post
    Here is a demo of a Page #2 LP; first part of the song is an AL3 Page burstbucker in the neck position; then it switches to the bridge pickup = Page #2 burstbucker (AL5):




    The TSRTS '73 version of No Quarter probably has my favourite Page solo ever. Well done! I really like the fuzziness you get on those notes in the neck spot when playing. When you get to the higher strings it cuts right through though. Very nice! Marshall VM right? I seem to recall you saying that at some time.
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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Cool, I always dig your playing and tone jimmyace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post
    The TSRTS '73 version of No Quarter probably has my favourite Page solo ever. Well done! I really like the fuzziness you get on those notes in the neck spot when playing. When you get to the higher strings it cuts right through though. Very nice! Marshall VM right? I seem to recall you saying that at some time.
    BTW, I am not trying to derail the thread; I think the Page AL3 pickups could serve as a nice proxy for the Custom Buckers, though the winding is a little different. If fact, since I can't get a Page AL3 magnet with zebra bobbins for my Page black beauty, I was planning to get a zebra Custom Bucker (like Sandy's) to put into it as soon as Gibson starts selling them separately.

    Now to reply to your question. It is a 100 watt Marshall JCM 900 with a Marshall power brake; the amp is on the clean channel with gain on 7. When I use the same settings with a different guitar that has regular burstbuckers (AL2 magnet), it sounds a little too weak. But if I switch to the dirty channel, the burstbucker guitar sizzles. For the Page #2 LP, the dirty channel may present too much gain unless I turn the gain down....but then I still don't think I will have the tone I want. So basically, play the Page #2 (and Page double neck) on the clean channel, play my others on the dirty channel. Here is the Page doubleneck on the clean channel; it has 4 Page burstbuckers (AL3 magnet, Page winding), and I should note that the doulbe neck's toggle stays in the middle position when using each neck for this solo:




    And a Jimmy Page #1 LP with Page burstbuckers (AL3, Page winding) on the dirty channel:

    Last edited by jimmyace2006; 02-02-13 at 09:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J.D. View Post
    Cool, I always dig your playing and tone jimmyace
    Thanks J.D.!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cfljames View Post
    That's some serious riffing and great example between the two ...
    The A5 sound as Jeff Beck would say is the Ball's...
    Thanks cf!

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Todd68 View Post
    The TSRTS '73 version of No Quarter probably has my favourite Page solo ever. Well done! I really like the fuzziness you get on those notes in the neck spot when playing. When you get to the higher strings it cuts right through though. Very nice! Marshall VM right? I seem to recall you saying that at some time.
    thanks Todd!

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    I liked the sound of the A3 in the neck best. Sweet playing ja.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    I used to own 9 1943 1959 Les Paul Standard and the totally original bridge pickup read 9.6 ohm and was the best bridge pickup I have ever heard. Vic Dapra can confirm this Just sayin'

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    So far to the guys that now have 2013 Les pauls with these Custom buckers would you say they are staying in the guitar?

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by randall View Post
    So far to the guys that now have 2013 Les pauls with these Custom buckers would you say they are staying in the guitar?
    Yes.

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    Re: New 2013 custom buckers?

    Quote Originally Posted by randall View Post
    So far to the guys that now have 2013 Les pauls with these Custom buckers would you say they are staying in the guitar?
    Yes.
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