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    ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Okay, these have been a long time in coming but it was worth getting right IMHO. Go to the web site and check them out. Lots if info about the work that went into what I think is the most accurate P-90 reproduction ever.

    Plus I made a few of the parts available for people that need them for vintage restorations.. Every part of these P-90's are ThroBak made from the ground up and made in the USA.

    I'll post more but there are lots of specifics on the ThroBak site.

    Here are a couple of photos of the new Throbak P-90 repros. This set is med. aged cream with vintage repro baseplates.



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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Very cool Jon, congrats

    Great to see some accurate P90 covers as well, will be perfect for restorations

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Wow! Now that's what I'm talking about

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Here is a photo of an aged bone pair with the vintage modified baseplates. These baseplates keep the materials and geometry of the vintage baseplate but without the side tabs. This means you can now get vintage style P-90's in a Historic without having to modify the route to hide the side tabs on the vintage P-90 soap bar baseplate. www.throbak.com


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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Question Jon - why have you cut the covers to accommodate the side tabs on the baseplate? I've never seen covers cut like that before... not saying they didn't do that back in the day, just that they're not like that on any of my guitars.

    All the covers on mine just rested against the side tabs but weren't cut at all.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Baron View Post
    Question Jon - why have you cut the covers to accommodate the side tabs on the baseplate? I've never seen covers cut like that before... not saying they didn't do that back in the day, just that they're not like that on any of my guitars.

    All the covers on mine just rested against the side tabs but weren't cut at all.
    You are correct. Vintage covers were not notched like this. I decided to mold them this way because i know with some vintage bridge pickup routes the cover does not really cover the gap between the cover and the guitar top. I know this is the case on my '56 Les Paul. But I can trim them flat on request.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Here is a photo of the new ThroBak Dog ear P-90 bridge pickup. Again all ThroBak made in the USA to vintage specs.


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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    EXCELLENT!

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Any sound files yet? Am I out of the loop...are soundfiles now a no-no or???

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by bluesforstevie View Post
    Any sound files yet? Am I out of the loop...are soundfiles now a no-no or???
    No sound files yet Dan. I will do some I just need to make time. Get an R6 or R4 and beat me to it! You got the chops!

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Can you describe what tonal/performance differences one can expect between the three dog ear flavors offered? I've got the Historic LP Jr.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Can't wait for the clips/sound files.

    Will these be hum cancelling?
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddler View Post
    Can't wait for the clips/sound files.

    Will these be hum cancelling?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrLPlvaXMXo
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by MapleFlame View Post
    Great clip Steve! My goal with the MXV P-90's was to make them as nuanced and versatile as the best 50's era P-90's I have played. This clip shows the great full cleans you can get from the classic 50's P-90 design. Classic P-90's can be so versatile, much more so than I think many expect. It makes me feel good to hear The MXV P-90's showcased in a clip like this. Thanks!

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by tuberide View Post
    Can you describe what tonal/performance differences one can expect between the three dog ear flavors offered? I've got the Historic LP Jr.
    The lower the resistance the more twang and the higher the resistance the darker, more grindy and juicy the tone is. The lowest resistance set has the most clean headroom and the highest set has the least but really gives the grind. The middle res. is the happy medium. Expect all of these to have the complex tonal character and balance that people like so much with 50's Era P-90's.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuberide View Post
    Can you describe what tonal/performance differences one can expect between the three dog ear flavors offered? I've got the Historic LP Jr.
    The standard with these is no hum cancelling in the middle position although I'm happy to do it by request at no upcharge. Tonally I think the non hum cacelling middle postition of the 50's design gives a bit more chime and complexity than if the middle position is hum cancelling. So the ThroBak MXV P-90's are the vintage correct non humcancelling configuration. But again if you want a hum cancelling middle position just let me know and it is easily done at no upcharge.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by jwalker View Post
    Here is a photo of the new ThroBak Dog ear P-90 bridge pickup. Again all ThroBak made in the USA to vintage specs.

    Jon, I was considering a new set of PU's for my 330L . Your website recommends
    these for single Jr's ? Do you have anything for the 330's?..... Sorry if this is a silly question?
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by joemags54 View Post
    Jon, I was considering a new set of PU's for my 330L . Your website recommends
    these for single Jr's ? Do you have anything for the 330's?..... Sorry if this is a silly question?
    I will answer this, remember, the person installing P90's into guitars pulled them out of bins. There was no rhyme or reason what they used. From Jon's explanation, I would choose the set that your guitar needs. If you want more clarity or grind, the options are there.

    I am also considering a change to My CS 330 with his P90's. The stock pickups aren't bad at all, their pretty darn hot.
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by MapleFlame View Post
    I will answer this, remember, the person installing P90's into guitars pulled them out of bins. There was no rhyme or reason what they used. From Jon's explanation, I would choose the set that your guitar needs. If you want more clarity or grind, the options are there.

    I am also considering a change to My CS 330 with his P90's. The stock pickups aren't bad at all, their pretty darn hot.
    I read through a bit of the info on the machinery, and thought that the PU's were designed and built "guitar specific". Thanks MF.
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by joemags54 View Post
    Jon, I was considering a new set of PU's for my 330L . Your website recommends
    these for single Jr's ? Do you have anything for the 330's?..... Sorry if this is a silly question?
    Hi Joe,

    For an ES-330L a set like the P-90 '52/'54 MXV can be ordered custom with a dog ear baseplates for neck and bridge. This set has a clarity and depth that would work great with a ES-330. However I have not yet made a mold for a neck dog ear cover so I would have to work out a price for custom set minus covers. I have the neck baseplate but not the covers yet. Any Gibson brand neck dog ear cover should work fine.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Jon,

    Excellent work!
    Thanks for taking the time to get these right.
    I can't wait to get a guitar to put them into.

    Well done.

    I wasn't expecting the bone and cream variants though. They both look incredible; however, I always thought that 50's plastics were always typically bone and then just naturally aged to a darker tint?

    Are your cream plastics pink in any way? (both M69 and p90)?, I ask only because the cream matches with a historic pickgaurd, yet those gaurds, at least the ones I have tend to be a little skin toned.

    Its just hard to tell from pictures, and I have no doubt that you've nailed whatever reference you were after.

    Thnx
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by buyusfear View Post
    Jon,


    Are your cream plastics pink in any way? (both M69 and p90)?, I ask only because the cream matches with a historic pickgaurd, yet those gaurds, at least the ones I have tend to be a little skin toned.

    Its just hard to tell from pictures, and I have no doubt that you've nailed whatever reference you were after.

    Thnx
    It is hard to tell from internet photos because everything on the internet has indexed color. But my goal for the rings and the covers was to cover the two extremes of the cream/bone color range of vintage plastic. The cream color is matched from a cream P.A.F. bobbin and a cream P-90 cover. The bone is matched from the most bone colored '56 P-90 cover I could find. I sent all of the vintage reference parts to the lab that made the colorant and went through 3 mixes to get the colors right. but the truth is the vintage bone and cream colors are a moving target. There is no one reference color. So I tried to cover both ends of the range.

    The 2009 Historic guard is actually not that far off from the vintage bone covers. That was not intentional on my part but it really is a pretty good match once the bone color is aged a bit. Are the ThroBak Bone and Cream colors pink? No. But I do think vintage Gibson bone and cream parts are much less green than many think.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    That makes sense.
    I've been away from the repro game for a few years since I outfitted my guitars. I'd thought that the new historic guards were starting to look more bone, and your comments support that.

    Once again, thanks for going through the efforts here!
    Your attention to detail is not unappreciated.

    So whats next from Throbak? Perhaps some early '52 diagonal screw soapbars? Or some staple custom p90's?
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by jwalker View Post
    Hi Joe,

    For an ES-330L a set like the P-90 '52/'54 MXV can be ordered custom with a dog ear baseplates for neck and bridge. This set has a clarity and depth that would work great with a ES-330. However I have not yet made a mold for a neck dog ear cover so I would have to work out a price for custom set minus covers. I have the neck baseplate but not the covers yet. Any Gibson brand neck dog ear cover should work fine.
    Thanks Jon. So you can provide a bridge cover? I apologize for my lack of knowledge in this area. I'm guessing I can use my stock neck cover?. My 330 is the git I enjoy most to play out. Second is my '65 Casino Elitist. The pick ups in the Casino are a bit brighter (hotter?) with more of the 60's bite. (difficult for me, to describe, sorry). Neither of these guitars are "vintage", and only a couple of yrs old...
    Last edited by joemags54; 01-29-13 at 01:54 AM.
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Hey Joemags, what is your overall opinion of the epiphone elitist compared to the ES330? Neck feel, pots and switches, tuning stability, etc?

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by rockabilly69 View Post
    Hey Joemags, what is your overall opinion of the epiphone elitist compared to the ES330? Neck feel, pots and switches, tuning stability, etc?
    I'll give it to you straight...(thanks for asking). The Casino was like holding an old friend immediately, easy to play, incredible build quality. (Make sure you check out the difference in features on the '65 Casino Elitist vs a standard Casino). I absolutely loved it. From the very first day, I opened the case, I began gigging with it immediately. As a child of the 60's it offered the tone I grew up with. I use a tube boutique amp, that is a great match. The only drawback is the neck joined at the body at the 16th fret. There are one or two tunes, where I need just a bit more access. That's why the Gibson 330L. However, I was quite surprised at the difference in PU's between the 2 gits, and was a bit disappointed in the 330L (hence why I'm in this thread). I had to turn up the volume control much more on the 330, to match the Casino, and obtain the same level. The necks are close in size to each other, neither as heavy as I usually prefer, but certainly not a deal breaker in my world, ..... Both gits suffer the dreaded bridge rattle, however I don't hear it through the amp, so it doesn't bother me. ...... When playing, You have to be a bit careful as it's easy to bend a chord out of tune while playing with others.(I guess that goes for any git).... Both stay in tune pretty well, and are subject to the same influences I guess any guitar is, changes in temp and humidity. That's why it's the last to pack and the first in the club, and on the stand..... I think the tuners of both guitars, are superior to the white button style of the standard 330 Gib, as well. I had a little static in the Casino selector switch, just needed exercise and a spritz of cleaner. ..... Both are just great guitars with no regrets what so ever. If I could only have one, I would go with the 330L as it does offer a bit more room attached at the 19th fret. I still would have a hard time parting with the Casino. I apologize if this is a bit scatter brained. Hope this helps. If you are near by, sometime, you are welcome to try them both.
    Last edited by joemags54; 01-29-13 at 04:22 PM.
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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by joemags54 View Post
    Thanks Jon. So you can provide a bridge cover? I apologize for my lack of knowledge in this area. I'm guessing I can use my stock neck cover?..
    Yes I can provide the bridge cover but not the neck dog ear cover. Your Gibson neck cover should fit great.

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    I just wanted to let everyone know that I had a real good chance to use my R-4 the other night. Ran it thru an old 1965 JMI Domino Bass amp (basically a Vox AC-6). Domino was the budget brand of Vox/JMI in the `60's. Really, this amp is a 6 watt monster head and a 1-12" cabinet that has an old Vox/Celestion Poly Grey 12" Alnico(T1088).
    Wide open the pickups scream, roll the volume down to about 8 (on the guitar) and it's so clean! Almost Fender guitar clean but fatter/bigger. I'm still stunned at how great these are!
    Thanks again Jon!

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    Quote Originally Posted by jwalker View Post
    Hi Joe,

    For an ES-330L a set like the P-90 '52/'54 MXV can be ordered custom with a dog ear baseplates for neck and bridge. This set has a clarity and depth that would work great with a ES-330. However I have not yet made a mold for a neck dog ear cover so I would have to work out a price for custom set minus covers. I have the neck baseplate but not the covers yet. Any Gibson brand neck dog ear cover should work fine.

    sorry to resurrect old thread. i may need replacement p90s for a 330. just checking on what is available since the date of last thread. also, do you offer, or can you make them for chrome covers for the 330? thanks

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    Re: ThroBak P-90's Are Here!

    I can do black plastic covers but not Chrome or Nickel. I still don't know of a source for vintage spaced neck Chrome or Nickel P-90 dogear covers.

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