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    1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    hi guys!
    i know nothing about vintage guitars so i'm calling all experts here

    some guy in my neigbourhood is selling a 1969 les paul deluxe goldtop which he bought some time around 1970 or 71

    what would it be worth today?

    i have not seen the guitar
    asking price is 4700 dollars
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Pics are important...


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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    I reckon that sounds pretty reasonable if it's all-original and in good nick. They can be fantastic guitars.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    i don't have pics,
    the guitar is not advertised on the web, i just saw and ad at the local music school
    i talked to the guy on the phone, sounds like a guy in his 50's or 60's even
    as far as condition goes, i don't know
    suppose it is in bad shape and all original, what would it be worth according to you?

    what kind of serial number does it have? i mean how many digits in what sequence?
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Well,, there are several 68-70 things going on and theres no good waay to help without the guitar being in your hands.
    There is a boat load of info from 68-70 LP owners here that may help you and several fellas here that have contributed to that info that may chime in.
    Your knowing about what type of pickups are in it, mini hums or soap bar P-90's could help a little for starters.
    Good Luck.


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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Made during a transition period. Combintations of features (body and neck construction) vary quite a bit in 1969 and have a large bearing on value.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    The most sought after version in that year is a single-piece neck with the small headstock and one piece body (no layered 'pancake').

    Next would be the version with a three-piece neck, large headstock, one piece body

    Then came the three-piece neck, large headstock, 'pancake' body made of multiple layers of woods.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    You should repost this thread [or ask a moderator to move it] in the Sunburst Pub area of this Forum. That is the correct area for discussing Les Pauls from that era and you stand a better chance of getting more people to read and respond, who have great knowledge in the subject.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    thank you guys for the info,
    i'll keep searching, but i should really see the guitar in person,
    though i can't afford it so far

    but you never know,

    i'll check the pancake body, and large headstock

    tom, you suggest i move my post, do you think a 69 deluxe is not vintage?

    i thought it was, well at least to my mind, but as i said i know nothing about vintage guitars

    i'll try to move the post then

    i'm glad 1969 is not "vintage"....i was born that year! lol
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchphil View Post
    tom, you suggest i move my post, do you think a 69 deluxe is not vintage?

    i thought it was, well at least to my mind, but as i said i know nothing about vintage guitars

    i'll try to move the post then

    i'm glad 1969 is not "vintage"....i was born that year! lol
    It is not about whether your guitar is "vintage" or not.
    When the Vintage area was made it was decided to be exclusively for the 50's style Les Pauls [which went through 1960, with a few rare 1961 examples].

    The description for this area makes that pretty clear:
    "Discussion area for all vintage Les Paul guitars from 1952 to 1960. (Goldtops, Bursts, Customs , Juniors, and Specials) "

    So, many of the guys who have deep interest in the late 1960's Les Pauls hang out and discuss this in the Sunburst Pub.
    It only makes sense to post where the most informed people will see it.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    well tom.... you are right i should have read better

    from my point of view, there are 2 or more distinc vintage periods
    the one from 1952 to 1960 when they stopped the les paul production,
    and the other one starting in 68 up untill.....who knows

    what do you think tom?

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchphil View Post
    well tom.... you are right i should have read better

    from my point of view, there are 2 or more distinc vintage periods
    the one from 1952 to 1960 when they stopped the les paul production,
    and the other one starting in 68 up untill.....who knows

    what do you think tom?

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    The problem is that 1968 LP's and later are technically reissues, since they are not from the original run of 1952-1960 LP's. The vintage section is only for the original LP's.... On this forum the term 'Vintage LP' is a euphemism for 'Original '52-'60 LP'


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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    thanks shred!
    now i understand better
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by frenchphil View Post
    well tom.... you are right i should have read better

    from my point of view, there are 2 or more distinc vintage periods
    the one from 1952 to 1960 when they stopped the les paul production,
    and the other one starting in 68 up untill.....who knows

    what do you think tom?

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    To me, a 1968 Les Paul is a vintage guitar.
    But the LPF made the rules for this section, and they are quite simple. It was never intended to be a debate over what is and what is not vintage.
    Just a definition for this area. And the other areas have definitions also, which we follow.
    It is no big deal. I mentioned this to point you to a place where you might find more answers to your question.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    no arguing here tom,
    just making things clear
    i'm not so familiar with the rules of the forum

    i'm not going to debate about the forum with you since you rule here, i watched your videos and i respect your knowledge of the burst and other lp

    so we agree a 69 deluxe is to be considered vintage

    i'll have a look at the guitar soon and see in what shape it is
    it's the same age as me, so it'd be nice to buy a les paul as old as me!

    hope it sounds good


    so take it easy tom,

    since rules are made for breaking, let me suggest this for the sections of the forum:

    let's change the name of the vintage section to the" burst section" covering the 58/60 period,
    and thus, change the sunburst pub to paul's lounge
    and make a "vintage" section for all other vintage period?

    actually when does vintage stops? a big debate i dont know
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by TW59 View Post

    So, many of the guys who have deep interest in the late 1960's Les Pauls hang out and discuss this in the Sunburst Pub.
    It only makes sense to post where the most informed people will see it.
    Quote Originally Posted by TW59 View Post
    It is no big deal. I mentioned this to point you to a place where you might find more answers to your question.
    Quote Originally Posted by frenchphil View Post
    no arguing here tom,
    just making things clear
    i'm not so familiar with the rules of the forum

    i'm not going to debate about the forum with you since you rule here, i watched your videos and i respect your knowledge of the burst and other lp

    so we agree a 69 deluxe is to be considered vintage

    i'll have a look at the guitar soon and see in what shape it is
    it's the same age as me, so it'd be nice to buy a les paul as old as me!

    hope it sounds good


    so take it easy tom,

    since rules are made for breaking, let me suggest this for the sections of the forum:

    let's change the name of the vintage section to the" burst section" covering the 58/60 period,
    and thus, change the sunburst pub to paul's lounge
    and make a "vintage" section for all other vintage period?

    actually when does vintage stops? a big debate i dont know
    You miss my point Phil.
    There's no problem with "breaking rules".
    I was merely trying to help you find the answers and info you are seeking.
    Sorry you took it as something different. I tried to be clear.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Phil,

    Just have this thread moved to the sunburst section, and you will get a lot more helpful feedback. You will still need to know more about the guitar to make an informed purchase.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    hi folks thanks again for the imput
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by shred View Post
    The problem is that 1968 LP's and later are technically reissues, since they are not from the original run of 1952-1960 LP's. The vintage section is only for the original LP's.... On this forum the term 'Vintage LP' is a euphemism for 'Original '52-'60 LP'
    Sorry to derail on my first post, but, are you really Yngwie Malmsteen?

    If so, i recently have become friends, with Kenny Baker. He had a really good go on my number one, this past summer (playn out in WPB) Not surprising how great his chops are considering who he works for.

    Hope to meet you soon,

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Go see it, get good pics for a definitive answer. The proof of age lies in the build features.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    This is a thread from 2012! Please check date before posting.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Jones View Post
    This is a thread from 2012! Please check date before posting.
    Why - has the significance of a 1969 Goldtop Les Paul changed during the course of three years?

    I still refer to my original copy of Tom Wheeler's American Guitars - published in 1982 - and it's relevancy has not diminished a bit.

    We're discussing vintage guitars here - and I don't see why digging up an old thread is a problem.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1955Junior View Post

    We're discussing vintage guitars here - and I don't see why digging up an old thread is a problem.
    Except that for the purposes of the LPF Vintage Les Paul section, this isn't a 1952-1960 Les Paul.


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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by BURST~TONE View Post
    Sorry to derail on my first post, but, are you really Yngwie Malmsteen?

    If so, i recently have become friends, with Kenny Baker. He had a really good go on my number one, this past summer (playn out in WPB) Not surprising how great his chops are considering who he works for.

    Hope to meet you soon,

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.WillieVK View Post
    Except that for the purposes of the LPF Vintage Les Paul section, this isn't a 1952-1960 Les Paul.

    Yes - I'm aware that this is the 1952-1960 Les Paul section, and realize that the initial post from 2012 should not have been here. TW also noted that in one of his replies from three years ago.

    I was only responding to JJ Jones' comment suggesting that there is something wrong with posting to an old thread.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Just a quick response:
    I think you're talking about the goldtop in Belgium/Netherlands.
    If so it has been converted to P90's, with conversion rings.
    It is a three piece neck with a bigger headstock.

    I bought a 58 junior from that guy, in general a nice person.
    His guitars however have, most of the time, some issues. They always seem to have some non-original parts.
    My junior for instance has a replacement nut and pots. I restored it, but you need to check them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchphil View Post
    hi guys!
    i know nothing about vintage guitars so i'm calling all experts here

    some guy in my neigbourhood is selling a 1969 les paul deluxe goldtop which he bought some time around 1970 or 71

    what would it be worth today?

    i have not seen the guitar
    asking price is 4700 dollars

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by BURST~TONE View Post
    Sorry to derail on my first post, but, are you really Yngwie Malmsteen?

    If so, i recently have become friends, with Kenny Baker. He had a really good go on my number one, this past summer (playn out in WPB) Not surprising how great his chops are considering who he works for.

    Hope to meet you soon,

    Jeff


    Quote Originally Posted by renderit View Post
    Yes my friend, you have discovered the truth. Now Shred is exposed for all the world to see. Also, I am a Butterball™© Turkey. Oh wait! Maybe Shred is Chewy Valvestem...


    If only that were true.... But sadly no. I am not Yngwie or Chewy Valvestem, although they both sound like fine gentlemen

    Strangely, I have also been mistaken for Buckethead on this forum in the past... I'm sorry to disappoint... The internet lends itself to conspiracy theories I suppose

    Last edited by shred; 11-17-15 at 12:36 PM. Reason: These things take time


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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by shred View Post


    If only that were true.... But sadly no. I am not Yngwie or Chewy Valvestem, although they both sound like fine gentlemen

    Strangely, I have also been mistaken for Buckethead on this forum in the past... I'm sorry to disappoint... The internet lends itself to conspiracy theories I suppose

    Ah, my bad, sorry. I recently became friends with Kenny Baker IM's personal, road guitar tech. We play out some times here in WPB FL, when he is in town.(He is in Stuart Florida up the road from me) He promised me a 'night out with the boys' soon, so I thought i was going to 'be clever' jump ahead of him by meeting him (who I thought was you) first on this thread.

    I actually have some iphone video of Kenny shredding some, on my number 1 Les Paul, into my Vintage 67 moded 6L6 DR (cranked to 1:00) and Klon. The guy is a frEAK of a geetar player! I will try to find and post.
    Last edited by BURST~TONE; 11-17-15 at 08:49 PM.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by BURST~TONE View Post
    Ah, my bad, sorry. I recently became friends with Kenny Baker IM's personal, road guitar tech. We play out some times here in WPB FL, when he is in town.(He is in Stuart Florida up the road from me) He promised me a 'night out with the boys' soon, so I thought i was going to 'be clever' jump ahead of him by meeting him (who I thought was you) first on this thread.

    I actually have some iphone video of Kenny shredding some, on my number 1 Les Paul, into my Vintage 67 moded 6L6 DR (cranked to 1:00) and Klon. The guy is a frEAK of a geetar player! I will try to find and post.
    No harm done... If you can get Yngwie to join the LPF, I think that would be awesome...


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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1955Junior View Post
    Why - has the significance of a 1969 Goldtop Les Paul changed during the course of three years?

    I still refer to my original copy of Tom Wheeler's American Guitars - published in 1982 - and it's relevancy has not diminished a bit.

    We're discussing vintage guitars here - and I don't see why digging up an old thread is a problem.
    I was referring to the post above mine about "go see it".
    I am sure the guitar is sold by now.
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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJ Jones View Post
    I was referring to the post above mine about "go see it".
    I am sure the guitar is sold by now.

    Dbl post.

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    Re: 1969 deluxe goldtop value?

    Quote Originally Posted by shred View Post
    No harm done... If you can get Yngwie to join the LPF, I think that would be awesome...

    Well Kenny told me IM owned 100s of fenders (and i would assume mostly 'pointy guitars') but that said, he did say that he expressed an interest in tryn out my geet, after Kenny told him about it so,,, I guess he likes Les Pauls, too..

    OK, I'll C what I can do, brother!

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