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    Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Anyone own both and know the dimensions of both, particularly the body thickness on the edge (by the strap button) and the comparative difference in the Les Paul 59 neck (or standard 50's neck) and the PRS "wide fat"

    Thanks.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by 58junior View Post
    Anyone own both and know the dimensions of both, particularly the body thickness on the edge (by the strap button) and the comparative difference in the Les Paul 59 neck (or standard 50's neck) and the PRS "wide fat"

    Thanks.
    I have a SC245 and a 50's neck LP standard. I don't have specific dimensions info but I'm sure you can get that from the company sites or spec. sites on the web. From practical experience: the body thickness at the strap buttons is narrower on the 245, maybe by 1/2" but I would have to measure. The PRS neck on the 245 is not the widest PRS neck I've played; it is comparitive to the 50's. But the carve feels quite a bit different. The PRS is not as thick as the 50's but is not "thin" by any means. It is comfortable. But so is the LP neck. By the way, I had to change out those PRS pups. I can't stand that mid-rangy tone those things give. IMO they're OK until you put them in a band mix, then all the frequencies that make the guitar sound OK just disappear. I put on a set of Sheptones and it made all the difference in the world. I do not have any affiliation with Sheptone.


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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    I am a previous owner of 2 PRS...Even though they cost more, they are nowhere near as nice as LPs...Just my opinion.

    The wide fat neck isn't as thick as a 50's neck. Their wide thin neck is even thinner than the 60s neck.

    I think the tone, no question is better with LPs...PRS's sounds like they are trying to be Gibson, but can't get it quite right.

    No punchiness. I noticed after I bought my classic that the guitar sounded louder coming through my amp than my main PRS I had.

    Gibson overall is just the cheaper, but better product. Having owned 2 PRS's and now 3 LPs, I think I can make that statement.

    Now I have friends that will swear their PRS is a nicer guitar, but I guess it's a preference thing. I guess that's why I am on this forum and not some Paul Reed forum.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Just my opinion, but personally I would take a PRS SC245 over any new Les Paul with the exception of the VOS models.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup's Uncle View Post
    I am a previous owner of 2 PRS...Even though they cost more, they are nowhere near as nice as LPs...Just my opinion.

    The wide fat neck isn't as thick as a 50's neck. Their wide thin neck is even thinner than the 60s neck.

    I think the tone, no question is better with LPs...PRS's sounds like they are trying to be Gibson, but can't get it quite right.

    No punchiness. I noticed after I bought my classic that the guitar sounded louder coming through my amp than my main PRS I had.

    Gibson overall is just the cheaper, but better product. Having owned 2 PRS's and now 3 LPs, I think I can make that statement.

    Now I have friends that will swear their PRS is a nicer guitar, but I guess it's a preference thing. I guess that's why I am on this forum and not some Paul Reed forum.
    Agreed. I recognize PRS to be very well built, but really lacking in tone and feel.

    As for the neck profile if the new one's are similar to the pre-lawsuits ('89 to '02ish) the wide thin has significantly more shoulder than a Gibson 50's neck.

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    It's all in what you get used to I suppose but I just cannot adapt to the PRS. A buddy of mine owns a music store and he'd give me a great deal on a new single cut. He harangues me all the time for not using one, but each time I've taken one out for the weekend I just end up stashing it in the case and bringing it back to him. I can switch back and forth between my Gibsons and Fenders and get around fine but there is just something about the PRS that freaks my clumsy little fingers out.
    That said, they are extremely well made and very beautiful to look at and obviously a lot of guys are making great music with them, I'm just not one of them. I am glad to see they finally offer an adjustable fixed bridge on them, I don't know how long they've been doing that but until recently I had only seen the ones with the fixed intonation and as someone who dinks around with stuff too much, I don every once in a while find myself altering the setups up on my guitars.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Wire and wood View Post
    It's all in what you get used to I suppose but I just cannot adapt to the PRS. A buddy of mine owns a music store and he'd give me a great deal on a new single cut. He harangues me all the time for not using one, but each time I've taken one out for the weekend I just end up stashing it in the case and bringing it back to him. I can switch back and forth between my Gibsons and Fenders and get around fine but there is just something about the PRS that freaks my clumsy little fingers out.
    .........

    My sentiments as well. I can go back and forth between my Lesters, Tele and Strat..no problem. With a PRS McCarty I had...once I got above ~ 5th fret, my reference sense of 'home' got lost and I had to really work to keep from flubbing up. I can play my Gibsons and Fenders almost by feel and don't have to look at fretboard 'cept when I'm playing slide.

    I tried a PRS Singlecut and McCarty out prior to purchasing the McCarty. The McCarty package performed better to my liking.

    IMHO - The notes above about the sound disappearing in the mix are exactly my experience as well. Playing by myself, the guitar sounded nice...playing in the band mix...I could not hear my guitar's voice. I play with a couple of weekend warrier bands..so we have just basic PA equipment with simple floor-wedge monitors...nothing eleborate.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    I have a '71 Deluxe (converted to full-size HBs) and an SC245 with wide/fat neck.

    The necks are nothing alike. I don't suppose anyone would expect them to be though.

    The neck of the SC245 does feel similar (to me) to a few LP R8s I've tried. Bigger and rounder than the '71.

    Tonewise, they are two different guitars.

    These are both my main guitars right now. They each do something special for me.

    Tooncat, sorry to hear you don't like the SC245 pups, would you be interested in selling them to me?

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by ant_riv View Post

    Tooncat, sorry to hear you don't like the SC245 pups, would you be interested in selling them to me?
    nah, gonna hang on to them in case I ever want to sell the PRS.
    Thanks though.


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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    FWIW - I once heard it described of PRS guitars by some qualified individuals.....popular, beautifully crafted, good looking but lacking soul. I have tried to like them but I think there is something to the statement above. The Mira seems to be a step in the right direction.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by MWR View Post
    FWIW - I once heard it described of PRS guitars by some qualified individuals.....popular, beautifully crafted, good looking but lacking soul. I have tried to like them but I think there is something to the statement above. The Mira seems to be a step in the right direction.
    Total bunk. Placebo effect or maybe Gibbo has mixed some peyote into the last few batches of laquer. Personally, I think a lot of people are a little brainwashed into thinking there's something wrong with Paul Reed Smith guitars. Lacking soul? That's crazy talk.

    Sorry to say, compared feature to feature, spec to spec, an American made PRS Singlecut is a nicer guitar than a Gibson LP Standard, or Custom for that matter.

    People need to open up their ears and their eyes. These days I play a Gibson LP to impress other people. I play a Paul Reed Smith to impress me. I bet most people on this forum that own a PRS will vouche for it's soul.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Thanks for the feedback. I have jumped between PRS and Gibson for 20 years. Hate to remember all I have traded or sold that I wish I kept.

    But back on topic, if anyone has both, can you measure the depth at the strap pin and compare body thickness in inches, and give a comparison of a les paul 50's neck vs PRS wide fat. I know PRS has a 10" radius vs a 12" on a les paul, but I need to know if a wide fat is like a modern "60's" les paul neck or more like a "50's"

    Thanks.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Trailerparkeddie View Post
    Total bunk. Placebo effect or maybe Gibbo has mixed some peyote into the last few batches of laquer. Personally, I think a lot of people are a little brainwashed into thinking there's something wrong with Paul Reed Smith guitars. Lacking soul? That's crazy talk.

    Sorry to say, compared feature to feature, spec to spec, an American made PRS Singlecut is a nicer guitar than a Gibson LP Standard, or Custom for that matter.

    People need to open up their ears and their eyes. These days I play a Gibson LP to impress other people. I play a Paul Reed Smith to impress me. I bet most people on this forum that own a PRS will vouche for it's soul.
    To each his own....there is no doubt that PRSs are quality instruments but their tone stamp is generic....not really Gibson, not really Fender, not really Gretsch, not really etc not anything that historically is identified as a classic signature. It has nothing to do with cache and I do not play any particlar instrument to impress anyone...me personnally I choose a particular axe to get a specific tone across and the PRSs to me (this is just my opinion) do not have any identity. Once again if they make you happy...great.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    I sound like me, It doesn't matter matter if I'm playing my Lester or Modern Eagle Singlecut PRS. Both are great tools..both sound great. The pups in both guitars do the job..they just are different flavors. Soul comes from the heart. Each guitar has it's own voice..it's how you play it that dictates "soul"..not the pups.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    FWIW...I agree with MWR.

    But I love my 245.....with the new pups.


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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Trailerparkeddie View Post
    ...compared feature to feature, spec to spec, an American made PRS Singlecut is a nicer guitar than a Gibson LP Standard, or Custom for that matter...
    Well, comparing specs is OK, but when it comes down to it I buy a guitar for how it feels to me when I play it. And when I bought my LP it was because it spoke to me, and on that day the PRS's that I tried just didn't feel right. No amount of specs could have changed that.

    Plus I had the ultimate "blind test" buyers aid with me: my non-musician wife, who, with no reason to prefer one or the other thought that the LP sounded really good, & that the PRS sounded nasty. She speaks, I listen...
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    I would also take a PRS SC245 over any non-VOS Les Paul. I have yet to find a production LP that doesn't suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58junior View Post
    Thanks for the feedback. I have jumped between PRS and Gibson for 20 years. Hate to remember all I have traded or sold that I wish I kept.

    But back on topic, if anyone has both, can you measure the depth at the strap pin and compare body thickness in inches, and give a comparison of a les paul 50's neck vs PRS wide fat. I know PRS has a 10" radius vs a 12" on a les paul, but I need to know if a wide fat is like a modern "60's" les paul neck or more like a "50's"

    Thanks.
    50's all day. I can mic them both, but it's very simillar to the 50's. Matter of fact, I would say it's a ringer for a rounded '59 profile. Not quite as fat & round as a '57 or '58. I'll also try to measure the soul, too. It's hard because there's so much that it's spillingout all over the place!

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    Sold my PRS and have never look back with my Standard and Classic - just no soul with the PRS (I think maybe Carlos took it all).

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    If there is a "nasty sounding PRS I haven't found it yet. But your right you better listen to your wife lol. Nasty to me is a is more the player and there are millions of really bad ones out there. The sad part is some of them really think they are great. Super nasty is that infernal contraption called "Guitar Hero"...god what have we done to our kids..a real guitar lesson would do wonders. Enjoy what we want.....life is just to darn short.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Did not mean for this to be a PRS vs. Les Paul debate. Just looking for inches.....I know the wide thin is a very thin small neck. I was wondering if the the PRS wide-fat was wide and fat in the les paul vernacular. Similar question to the body width.... anyone out there with a ruler???????

    Help....can someone whip out a ruler????

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut







    Quick pic with my shaky hands.... some interesting info on the measurements I took:


    50's neck thickness at nut: 5/8 ", 245: 13/16's (suprize!) it's a little thicker
    body thickness at straps: LP: 2", 245: 1 5/8s"
    Width at nut: LP: both = 1 11/16's"
    Last edited by tooncat; 12-20-08 at 04:59 PM.


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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Thanks. That's what I was looking for. The singlecut without the trem is a bit thicker in the body. Anyone know what the body thickness difference is on the non trem version? Thanks.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by 58junior View Post
    The singlecut without the trem is a bit thicker in the body.
    Anyone know what the body thickness difference is on the non trem version?
    A non-trem 245 body is 1 & 15/16 inches.
    (vs. about 2in for an LP), so its only a 1/16 inch difference.
    The pic shows where I measured.
    I DID zero out the caliper with the paper used to protect the finish
    so the measurements are accurate for the bodies alone.

    as to the neck thickness ..
    this sc245 is 1/32 of an inch less thick at the first fret than a typical 59 LP Reissue.


    Last edited by MRTONEMAN; 12-22-08 at 03:26 AM.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    ive got a PRS singlecut SE,the neck is,well,wide and fat.since my LP had a 60s neck its bigger than that.a damn nice guitar for 500 dollars but you are right about the pickups,some stock 490/500 pickups would make it a tone monster

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    If I had the shekls to buy a PRS, it would be the Swamp Ash Special.

    Just my persuasion.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by MWR View Post
    To each his own....there is no doubt that PRSs are quality instruments but their tone stamp is generic....not really Gibson, not really Fender, not really Gretsch, not really etc not anything that historically is identified as a classic signature. It has nothing to do with cache and I do not play any particlar instrument to impress anyone...me personnally I choose a particular axe to get a specific tone across and the PRSs to me (this is just my opinion) do not have any identity. Once again if they make you happy...great.
    I bought a PRS Artist Limited and after two weeks, I had to send it back.
    As described above, but to shorten the statement a bit, it sounded like "white bread".

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Personality & Soul are so subjective.......but are very real feelings.
    I had a PRS CE-24 and my own experience was that it Cut thru the band better than my LP Deluxe & 335. Also, several non-musicians liked the sound better. That said, I agree that the sound is somewhat "generic", after all, it's designed to replicate the best aspects of Gibson & Fender so it will always be somewhat of a compromise. My guess is that younger players who grow up with PRS will have a different take on it.
    I sold the CE-24 and have not missed it.
    I did buy a PRS SE Soapbar recently and think this one has a Real Heart And Soul and it's own personality - but of course, nothing like my LPs.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    This being a Les Paul Forum more kudo's for Gibson. Over on the PRS Forum the same. Owning a herd of the major brands I pulled out my 6oth Anni Tele 52RI and got happy in a hurry. Some days my LP's is the bomb some days my PRS's.I enjoy all of them like they where my own kids. Each is special in it's own way. Peavey T-60 anyone? Ovation Breadwinner? Heehaw. Still looking for that hand crank to my Mickey Mouse model from 1962.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by MWR View Post
    To each his own....there is no doubt that PRSs are quality instruments but their tone stamp is generic....not really Gibson, not really Fender, not really Gretsch, not really etc not anything that historically is identified as a classic signature. It has nothing to do with cache and I do not play any particlar instrument to impress anyone...me personnally I choose a particular axe to get a specific tone across and the PRSs to me (this is just my opinion) do not have any identity. Once again if they make you happy...great.
    So, essentially, you're slamming PRS as "generic" because they choose to be original and have their own sound, rather than rip off the sound of those that came before?

    Odd.

    Full disclosure - I own a Mira, and get a wide enough variety of tones from it that I sold my Lesters, and my Teles. It sounds like itself, rather than the others, but it sounds so good that they were unplayed.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Aahzz View Post
    So, essentially, you're slamming PRS as "generic" because they choose to be original and have their own sound, rather than rip off the sound of those that came before?

    Odd.

    Full disclosure - I own a Mira, and get a wide enough variety of tones from it that I sold my Lesters, and my Teles. It sounds like itself, rather than the others, but it sounds so good that they were unplayed.
    I'm pretty sure he's not slamming PRS. Just one of a lot of people that don't dig their pickups. I changed mine and my guitar now has a personality that I dig a lot.

    By the way, lots of good comments being made on the Mira series. What are the pickups in those and can you elaborate a little more on your guitar? Thanks.


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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    I just got my first PRS two weeks ago, I got a Custom 24 10 Top. This guitar is simply amazing! The fit and finish is light years ahead of any of my Gibsons to include my Custom shop guitars. This axe has plenty of soul!

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    I had a PRS Custom 22 years ago that I ended up selling, the tone and feel were blah.

    Since then I haven't really thought that highly of PRS, until I checked out a 245 a couple months ago. I don't know, and don't really care, if it was designed to be a Les Paul-alike, but to me it sounded and played like a good Les Paul should, very round, clear, and punchy and mixing the pickups in various ratios with the volume and tone pots (where most of the magic with Les Pauls arises IMO) revealed alot of great tones. And the 245 felt great in my hands.

    Other than VOS 57 and 58s I've had occasion to play, new production Les Pauls just haven't done it for me, at least not to the extent of the PRS 245.

    So, if I had two grand and change to throw down on a new set-neck humbucker guitar, in all honesty I have to say I'd go for the 245.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    tooncat-
    Thanks for the reply! I certainly understand.

    I believe the Mira pickups are uncovered SC245 pups, that split.


    To all:
    The lack of soul comments are interesting to me. I believe the biggest cause of that is the "dipped in glass" finishes. My Gibsons seem to know my hand, where as the PRS takes a few minutes to warm up. It will be interesting to see mwhat people think in twenty years after lots of PRS are "worn in".

    Interestingly, on the PRS Forum, many people change the pups also, even on the most expensive PRSi. However, I really like the tone of the SC245 pups. Different strokes, for different folks.

    But I am really gassing for a R8 and have been for months. Just don't have the cash ....

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Man View Post
    I just got my first PRS two weeks ago, I got a Custom 24 10 Top. This guitar is simply amazing! The fit and finish is light years ahead of any of my Gibsons to include my Custom shop guitars. This axe has plenty of soul!
    Quote Originally Posted by ant_riv View Post
    The lack of soul comments are interesting to me. I believe the biggest cause of that is the "dipped in glass" finishes. My Gibsons seem to know my hand, where as the PRS takes a few minutes to warm up. It will be interesting to see mwhat people think in twenty years after lots of PRS are "worn in".
    I wonder if these two comments are related. I have not played PRS, so I can't comment directly on their finish, but I have played plenty of guitars with perfect glossy polyurethane finishes, including my own Fenders. I can see how this approach can yield "perfect fit and finish" for some and yet not be pleasing to others. Personally, I find the Gibson nitro finish to be much more 'organic' with its hand carved neck and thin finishes that take on the contours of the wood.

    I think this just comes down to personal preference more than anything else. I don't agree that Gibson Custom Shop guitars are inferior in fit and finish, its just a different animal.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by Aahzz View Post
    So, essentially, you're slamming PRS as "generic" because they choose to be original and have their own sound, rather than rip off the sound of those that came before?

    Odd.

    Full disclosure - I own a Mira, and get a wide enough variety of tones from it that I sold my Lesters, and my Teles. It sounds like itself, rather than the others, but it sounds so good that they were unplayed.
    Actually, I think you may be missing the point. if you check out my original post I mentioned the Mira is the closest IMHO that they have come to a classic model.

    Much of the popularity of PRS guitars appears to be in a much younger demographic. The current crop of young rockers are looking for their own identity and that is cool. PRS offers many looks and finishes that appeal to the desires of performing on stage where maybe nuance and tone may not be the priority in the current rock business. However, when many of these groups go into the studio to record you find that they reach many times for classic instruments and amplifiers with classic tones.

    There are other guitar manufacturers that have done some new things that have a tone identity all their own. However, once again IMHO PRS is sort of a hybrid which in my mind is more "generic", maybe not best term, but the only one I can think of at the moment. They are trying to be both Gibson and Fender. After years of continuing to perform and record I have found for me that I want the best of each if I have the choice. Meaning if I want a Gibby tone I grab a Gibby and if I want a Fender tone I grab the Fender.

    Lastly, considering this is a Les Paul Forum the conversation/debate has been kept quite polite by many Les Paul advocates. If someone is going to ask such a controversial question on a forum dedicated to the Gibson Les Paul and expect members to jump up and adopt PRS as the king of guitar manufacturing you are being a bit naive. There is room in life for many different things and preferences but to expect a pro-PRS uprising on a Les Paul Forum is a little strange.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    Quote Originally Posted by tooncat View Post
    By the way, lots of good comments being made on the Mira series. What are the pickups in those and can you elaborate a little more on your guitar? Thanks.
    The Mira's pickups are stock - I think they're only put in the Mira and the SC245 - I know it's only the Mira and one other...anyway, they're clear as a bell, hold up great with interesting chords under distortion, and split better than any others I've tried. The electronics in the Mira give it a versatility unlike anything else I've played - it really can go from a twangy clean to a full-on roar with just the volume knob/split switch.

    Electronics aside, it's lightweight, comfortable, and ergonomic. My one beef with it would be that I prefer a tailpiece with individually adjustable saddles for intonation - but that's really a preference thing, as I have no intonation issues.

    Since I got it, I quite simply don't play anything else - in ine hand, that annoys me, as I;ve always liked having a few guitars to play with. On the other hand, I'm very, very satisfied.
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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    The PRS guitars are excellent American-made instruments. One observation is they lack a certain hand-made characteristic that the Gibson's (Historics) have, they are just more polished and consistent. The finishes are typically thicker and worked back to a glass-like luster. Just different animals. That certainly doesn't equal lacking "soul". I'd say just a more "modern" manufacturing process overall. As far as a pure Gibson tone, the PRS won't do it, for a number of reasons. It won't do a perfect Fender tone either. They feel different because of the slightly different scale length. Alot of guys who like to play one guitar live are finding that the PRS guitars are a very nice compromise between Gibson and Fender tones, very versitile and well built.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    It never fails...the debate won't die. I have a butt load of (Gibson) USA Les Pauls and a buttload of Custom Shop Les Pauls and a few USA Paul Reed Smith's and a buttload of of USA Charvels and a buttload of USA Jackson's and a couple of Benavente's and a couple of American Fender's and a couple of American Peavey's. They all have plenty of soul and tone and vibe and maghic and grit and what-ever non-tangible term you can come up with.

    The simple fact is that PRS guitars and just made better. The Benaventes are very well made as well. Peavey is next

    The simple truth is that they're all cut by a saw. The most advanced that I've seen is PRS, the most shoddy is Gibson. They use a big-ass replicating saw that rolls over a cut blank to guide four or five other routers...archeic

    I ain't falling for the banana in the tailpipe crap. I play them all and they all sound right....humbucker guitars sound like humbucker guitars.

    I'd like one of these 'lacking soul' people to put up the goods. Let's see some proof. Personally, I think the "soul lackers' are just brainwashed by the Gibbo ad campaign...you might say hypmotized! I would say duped.

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    Re: Les Paul vs. PRS Singlecut

    I feel Gibbys do have a more "'organic" feel but that label doesn't translate to the term "soul". My PRS Modern Eagle feels "organic" mainly due to the solid Brazilion rosewood neck and super thin nitro finish..and again emphasis it doesn't translate to the term "soul". My LP doesn't make me a "soulful" player, I make me a soulful player and nothing else. PRS has a very wide range of guitars covering traditional models to cutting edge modern models. The new DGT (David Grissom) is a super selling guitar at present and dealers can't get enough of them. They have a nitro finish and great sounding pups that even Gibson diehards would approve of. My Custom 22 Artist does not have a nitro finish..feels less organic but still is a wonderful guitar, just more modern in feel and tone. Nothing beats a great LP...Nothing beats a great instrument regardless of brand...just play the crap out of them and enjoy them..nuff said.

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