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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    if you just took the pickup out and switched it aroud would it be back normal and what does fliping it do

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by zosolp View Post
    if you just took the pickup out and switched it aroud would it be back normal and what does fliping it do
    The magnet is flipped inside.
    That's what makes the tone change.
    The rotation of the pickup is only because that's how Peter Green had his.
    When you play in the middle position with both volumes at 10, it plays out of phase.
    Otherwise, everything else is normal.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikev View Post
    The magnet is flipped inside.
    That's what makes the tone change.
    The rotation of the pickup is only because that's how Peter Green had his.
    When you play in the middle position with both volumes at 10, it plays out of phase.
    Otherwise, everything else is normal.
    I'm not sure this is correct. Mine sounds out of phase at any volume in the middle position. Perhaps what you're saying is that the treble and neck positions are normal, and the middle position is always out of phase.

    Sweet looking guitar Mike V. It looks a lot like mine. I wish I had been able to afford a Les Paul when I had been playing for a year. Those were the Silvertone days!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    can anyone describe the "out of phase" sound?
    tia

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by stock_hippie View Post
    can anyone describe the "out of phase" sound?
    tia
    Go to http://www.cvguitars.com/LCPG-48/ and scroll to the bottom of the page; click on "middle position".

    That's Larry playing that guitar in the middle position. He does this for all the guitars that are marked sold.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Larry told me that if both volume knobs are the same it will sound out of phase. I took this to mean that they can both be at 10 or both be at 5 etc., and it will sound out of phase. As soon as the volume knobs are at different settings, you will have an in phase sound, though it might not sound just like stock(which is a good thing). The neck position alone will mostly sound stock, but not quite(again a good thing)

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    I need better clarification.

    Suppose there is a 10% tolerance in the volume pots. The numbers on the knobs are arbitrary. Does this mean Larry "matches" the pots?

    It doesn't make sense to me electronically to say the guitar is in phase and out of phase by adjusting the pots.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurius View Post
    I'm not sure this is correct. Mine sounds out of phase at any volume in the middle position. Perhaps what you're saying is that the treble and neck positions are normal, and the middle position is always out of phase.

    Sweet looking guitar Mike V. It looks a lot like mine. I wish I had been able to afford a Les Paul when I had been playing for a year. Those were the Silvertone days!
    That was the way that I thought Larry explained it to me.
    That if I turned the volume to 10 on both in the middle position it was out of phase and any other volume setting would not be.
    It's how it sounds on mine. If I turn the volume down to 9 on either one, it's back in phase.

    Also, I can afford Gibson's as a newbie because I'm old (41), married to someone that is very cool and we don't have kids.
    We can do whatever we want!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    I have WCR p'ups in my LP Custom and had the peter green mod done.
    The middle position sounds really cool. Its thin and nasally. I think it adds a very cool contrast to the other 2 positions as compared to the middle position w/o the PG Mod. I think its very worthwhile, I use it when gigging quite a bit.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by mikev View Post
    That was the way that I thought Larry explained it to me.
    That if I turned the volume to 10 on both in the middle position it was out of phase and any other volume setting would not be.
    It's how it sounds on mine. If I turn the volume down to 9 on either one, it's back in phase.

    Also, I can afford Gibson's as a newbie because I'm old (41), married to someone that is very cool and we don't have kids.
    We can do whatever we want!
    You call 41 old? Well, it's certainly old enough to afford a nice guitar. And welcome to the forum from one noob to another.

    I hope Larry will chime in on this. I know it doesn't really matter, but my curiosity has been piqued. It doesn't make sense that increasing the resistance on one pot changes the phase of the guitar without a switch.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Here's my take - not authoritative:

    In general, two devices are considered out of phase when they produce the same, or very similar signal, but one's signal is shifted 180 degrees, that is, at the same instant one is producing a "peak" in an electronic signal or sound wave, the other is producing a "trough". The effect is that some or all of the signal is canceled out by the two waves combining to zero (peak + trough = 0). That's what happens if on a stereo audio system if you flip the leads to one speaker - standing equidistant from the two speakers, a single tone will be greatly reduced.

    The same applies to guitar pickups. If the positive/negative leads or the magnetic polarity are reversed for one pickup relative to the other, the signals from the two pickups will tend to cancel out eachother, BUT ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT THE SIGNALS ARE THE SAME. Just the fact that the two pickups are under different parts of the strings means that they can not be producing identical signals. Likewise, the more DISsimilar the signals are, the less "out of phase" they will sound, since there will be less signal cancellation ocurring. So that's why you'll hear the most out of phase sound when the two pickup's (actual) volumes are identical.

    In reality, the pickups are always either in phase or out of phase based on the magnet orientation and wire direction, but you'll only HEAR the effect to the extent that the the signals are similar. Of course the very complex signals coming from each pickup - multiple strings each with many overtones at varying frequencies and amplitudes - produces varying degrees of signal cancellation/reduction unevenly across the frequency range, which ultimately results in the the tone we refer to as "out of phase". I know this is not a complete explanation, but I think it addresses the "equal volumes" issue.

    Feel free to correct or clarify.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    jimmy pages magnet is flipped right

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Ephlat, that makes more sense. Thanks.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    All the best to the Corsa family. Congradulations Larry.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    I did some experimenting with my guitar yesterday and it does indeed sound out of phase when both pups are at the same volume.

    If both pups are on 10, the guitar is obviously out of phase. Then if I roll the volume of either pup back to 6 or 7, it sounds like I've switched to the opposite pup. IOW, if I'm in the middle position with both pups set to 10 the guitar has an out of phase sound. Then if I roll the bridge pup back to 7 it sounds very close to the same as if I had just switched to the neck pup only.

    Go figure.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurius View Post
    Go to http://www.cvguitars.com/LCPG-48/ and scroll to the bottom of the page; click on "middle position".

    That's Larry playing that guitar in the middle position. He does this for all the guitars that are marked sold.
    Cool....48 is the one I want too. Too bad I can't afford it now.

    Tax refund in February hopefully, but I'm sure it will be gone by then.
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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    I'll jump in for a second just to say that Ephlat's explanation was excellent! Obviously, once the magnet has been flipped, the guitar is magnetically out of phase - totally and all the time, unlike using a push/pull pot, which electrically makes it in or out of phase depending upon the position. It is still technically out of phase, no matter if the volumes are different, but it won't have the distinctive "out of phase tone" unless the volumes are equal or very nearly equal.

    Finally, again, I am grateful for all the well wishes on the birth of our boy, Shane. No, PaulSG, I never even thought of naming him "Peter," although I can understand that such a thought would be obvious! Anyway, here's a shot of mom and baby a day after his arrival. What a Christmas gift!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    is his name Les...?just kidding...congrts!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Nice job Larry!!! Ya done good.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Just goes to show, no matter how great you make the LCPG's, there's nothing better than an original. Congratulations!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurius View Post
    I did some experimenting with my guitar yesterday and it does indeed sound out of phase when both pups are at the same volume.

    If both pups are on 10, the guitar is obviously out of phase. Then if I roll the volume of either pup back to 6 or 7, it sounds like I've switched to the opposite pup. IOW, if I'm in the middle position with both pups set to 10 the guitar has an out of phase sound. Then if I roll the bridge pup back to 7 it sounds very close to the same as if I had just switched to the neck pup only.

    Go figure.

    That's exactly how mine sounds.

    Congrats again, Larry!

    Peace and Happy Holidays.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    how do these LCPGs play on an average....are they all mostly the same..?...like, how is the action/sting height...?...the reason im asking is when guys describe Les Pauls they usually say they differ alot...
    thanks
    joe

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Congratulations Larry. Olga is looking very happy and your baby looks very healthy.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    LCPG-69 arriving tomorrow:
    http://cvguitars.com/PGMod/LCPG-69/

    LCPG-130 arriving next Wed.(1/2)
    http://cvguitars.com/PGMod/LCPG-130/

    Only changed my mind once changed from #55 to #130 after that new batch came in.

    Hope everybody had a super X-mas......have fun and be careful this New Years. I'll post some pics after they've both arrived in their new home.

    Larry is da man!!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    hey 58 is coming tomorrow too

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    dock44... #130 really sounds full and creamy!

    Really has the authentic top too.

    I have two already, so I am speaking from experience!
    With a little help from me friends...

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    Thanks Goodgrain. Can't wait to get em in my grubby little hands. I really love that top on 130. I'm glad it didn't go on "hold" before I could tell Larry I wanted to change my mind.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    well 58 came today and its amazing, i cant even think of words to describe it. if your thinking of getting one DO IT and just wait till it comes because you will not be upset

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    Quote Originally Posted by zosolp View Post
    well 58 came today and its amazing, i cant even think of words to describe it. if your thinking of getting one DO IT and just wait till it comes because you will not be upset
    Congrats...I knew you'd love it!!!



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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    I got #69 today as well. #130 should arrive Wed. I'm gonna wait to post pics until they both are here. I couldn't be happier. The setup is excellent, the weight is ideal, looks and sounds terrific. Larry offers a great product at a super price and as I told him..... the best customer service out there. Huge kudos to Larry!!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by dock44 View Post
    ...The setup is excellent, the weight is ideal, looks and sounds terrific...
    That's what I love about mine. The weight of the '07's is perfect. I will never understand how some folks get all wound up over chambering. From what my ears hear, chambering is a wonderful thing.


    So who snagged #120??????
    Last edited by PaulSG; 12-28-07 at 10:25 PM.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    So there you have it. More happy Faded players.

    Congrats, guys. I don't see this tone ever getting old. My Faded gets daily playing time. After all the new guys get their guitars, someone should start a thread where we can post pics of all Larry's modded guitars in one thread. Title the thread "Chambered Haters Not Welcome"!

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    im in

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by dock44 View Post
    LCPG-69 arriving tomorrow:
    http://cvguitars.com/PGMod/LCPG-69/

    LCPG-130 arriving next Wed.(1/2)
    http://cvguitars.com/PGMod/LCPG-130/

    Only changed my mind once changed from #55 to #130 after that new batch came in.

    Hope everybody had a super X-mas......have fun and be careful this New Years. I'll post some pics after they've both arrived in their new home.

    Larry is da man!!
    Been checking this thread out and Larry's really on to something here. The sound clips really help but it's amazing how different some of the guitars sound. #69 sounds absolutely killer... lots of upper mids, the hollow tone and a strong double tone, #130 looks cool but the tone isn't anywhere near 69. I'd love to get one but buying one "unfinished" (without the soundclips) by Larry seems like kind of a crap shoot... what happens if the tone's not what you're after?

    Very cool guitars...
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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Quote Originally Posted by roadrunner View Post
    ...what happens if the tone's not what you're after?

    Very cool guitars...
    You return it to Larry. He wants everyone to be 100% satisfied.

    Obviously, once you have it in your hands and plugged into your amp the tone will sound different than the sound clips. If it's not to your liking, you can follow my advice above. FWIW, #103 sounds much better live.
    Last edited by PaulSG; 12-31-07 at 10:23 AM.

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    Put down a small deposit, and Larry will do the mods and make soundclips. You can then look and listen.......if you like it, pay the balance and it's on the way. If you don't, you can try another.

    Tone is very subjective as we all know. I'm still waiting on 130 but I hope they do sound different.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    When I ordered my guitar from Larry, I told him "tone is king" and I wanted the best sounding guitar he had.

    His response was that they ALL sound good and he was amazed at the number of people who don't go after the killer tops. He said the sound from one guitar to the next pretty consistent and he was happy with all so far.

    That being the case, I took the guitar that had the top I liked best.

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    Re: Another Peter Green Faded from CV Guitars

    Got both of my babies now.




    Just got 130(honeyburst) today and it got down into the upper teens so I haven't tuned her up yet, just snapped some pics.

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