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    Sg Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Hi Everyone......I happened to stop in a GC while on the road and in their "vault" they had what looked to be a Historic Reissue "Fool" SG like the one that Clapton played in Cream. It was in a glass case and I did not get a thorough inspection but it looked pretty darn good. Did Gibson offer this at any point, if they did I do not remember seeing it advertised. I have to say I was very tempted but if I remember correctly it had a $5K price tag.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Hopefully the Miz Chimes in... his avatar should answer your question

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Probably one of the many hand painted Historic, or 61 SG Reissues from either that shop in New England or that guy in Las Vegas...Ed Roman, is that his name? There are also some Epi SG's done like that and some Japanese imports done on Schecter's from what I understand, too.

    And this one...


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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Ed Roman? THE Ed Roman?

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    '...and some Japanese imports done on Schecter's from what I understand, too.'

    Those would be budget line ESP's.
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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Don't forget the masterwork of Fab Gear:










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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    At least Jeff gets his right.
    I may be going to hell, but I'll be the only one there with marshmallows.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Who is Fabgear?

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Fabgear would be one Jeff Levenson. He's the guy that did Boz' and Minz FOOL SG's. He also did my Page Dragon Tele. Jeff's as good as they come and alot cheaper then Murphy for the same work.
    I may be going to hell, but I'll be the only one there with marshmallows.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonebender View Post
    Fabgear would be one Jeff Levenson. He's the guy that did Boz' and Minz FOOL SG's. He also did my Page Dragon Tele. Jeff's as good as they come and alot cheaper then Murphy for the same work.
    Would like to see a pic of the tele
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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    I'll have to see if Jeff still has the shots he took of mine. Looks liked I might have deleted them somewhere along the way. I'll put `em up tonight if I can.
    I may be going to hell, but I'll be the only one there with marshmallows.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    This one's in the other thread, too. This was done back in 1989 by Ian Wilkie. He's done one other that I've seen and it's just as good.

    http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...Clapton_SG.jpg

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Just for you RocknTommy! First pic is Jeff holding the complete Dragon. The second is a collage.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../pageandme.jpg


    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../toddpage1.jpg


    Enjoy guys!
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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by MWR View Post
    Who is Fabgear?
    This is from Jeff at Fabgear


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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Wow.....that looks awesome. What model SG is that? Is it a historic model?

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    I just stumbled upon this 9.5" version on eBay.

    Eric Clapton Gibson SG Miniature Guitar




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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    How do you guys find out about people like Jeff? Or any ghostbuilder for that matter, I havent had any luck tracking most of them down, do you just send them an email after seeing their stuff online or have you met them at shows?

    :: Funk 'em ... just to see the look on their face :: Hotleg - great music, great. ::

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by redb View Post
    How do you guys find out about people like Jeff? Or any ghostbuilder for that matter, I havent had any luck tracking most of them down, do you just send them an email after seeing their stuff online or have you met them at shows?
    Found him right HERE on LPF

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by pit_s_xroad View Post
    stumbled across this pic... the neck has been stripped off at some point of time...





    PIT...
    That was done almost immediately after the guitar was painted by the Fool, right after the first photo shoot.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by pit_s_xroad View Post
    aaah...OK... thanks...
    guess the paint turned out to be too sticky...

    PIT...
    That was EXACTLY the problem. There's even a bit about that on page 64 in the Chris Welch CREAM book. For one thing oil paints never truly dry and artists usually shellac their canvasses to speed that along. Not a good choice of paint for a working instrument. The really surprising thing is that it held up as well as it did. However, if you ever see the real one up close, you will see that nearly all of it has been heavily retouched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cream Fan View Post
    That was EXACTLY the problem. There's even a bit about that on page 64 in the Chris Welch CREAM book. For one thing oil paints never truly dry and artists usually shellac their canvasses to speed that along. Not a good choice of paint for a working instrument. The really surprising thing is that it held up as well as it did. However, if you ever see the real one up close, you will see that nearly all of it has been heavily retouched.

    Retouched and renecked. Almost a totally new guitar.
    I may be going to hell, but I'll be the only one there with marshmallows.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Not exactly a re-neck, per se. The board is the original board. but the mahogany from the headstock to about the eighth fret was replaced because it had turned to cork from all of Clapton's sweat.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    hey does anyone know where the orginal is?
    pictures of its current state would be nice

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by zosolp View Post
    hey does anyone know where the orginal is?
    pictures of its current state would be nice
    Todd Rundgren owns it...

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtorres84315 View Post
    Todd Rundgren owns it...
    Todd Rundgren auctioned the original Fool SG thru Christies about 4 years ago. He has a replica of it now.
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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpnv59 View Post
    Todd Rundgren auctioned the original Fool SG thru Christies about 4 years ago. He has a replica of it now.
    My close friend was Todd's guitar player for the "Nearly Human" tour and also played on the record. He got to play The Fool on occassion. Can you imagine? This guitar would thrill me 100 times more than seeing the Green/Moore.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by j45 View Post
    My close friend was Todd's guitar player for the "Nearly Human" tour and also played on the record. He got to play The Fool on occassion. Can you imagine? This guitar would thrill me 100 times more than seeing the Green/Moore.
    Man, I dont know how you can distinguish between the beano, the moore burst, pagey's number one, hendrix's white strat, joe walsh's burst, clapton's fool sg etc.

    All I know is, if I ever got the chance to play an instrument that was that important in the developement of rock and role, I would be very happy!

    :: Funk 'em ... just to see the look on their face :: Hotleg - great music, great. ::

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    go to the london hard rock vault and take your pick

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tonebender View Post
    Just for you RocknTommy! First pic is Jeff holding the complete Dragon. The second is a collage.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../pageandme.jpg


    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../toddpage1.jpg
    Enjoy guys!
    Nice job!
    What does it say on back of the neck plate?
    Sorry if this is off topic.
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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by RocknTommy View Post
    Nice job!
    What does it say on back of the neck plate?
    Sorry if this is off topic.
    It's a quote from that `77 guitar player interview.
    It says "I don't deal in technique, I deal in emotions." Jimmy Page


    It's not an exact replica as I was going to be giving it as a gift to someone who plays alot. I wanted it to be bulletproof and able to take a massive pounding. The prototype that Jeff did was a dead on version and he's made others that are as well. In fact he's just finishing up one as we speak. I will say this though, he does the only dead on version of the Dragon around. Don't be fooled by others.

    In any case I'm glad you like it.
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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by redb View Post
    Man, I dont know how you can distinguish between the beano, the moore burst, pagey's number one, hendrix's white strat, joe walsh's burst, clapton's fool sg etc.

    All I know is, if I ever got the chance to play an instrument that was that important in the developement of rock and role, I would be very happy!

    I know what you mean. I would put Clarence White's Tele near the top of that list, too. Still, I was able to hold the Green/Moore guitar and for some reason I didn't get any feeling of awe whatsoever. At one of the last Texas shows, they had Clapton's actual 335 along with Blackie on display in a glass case. I really didn't expect what happened next but I stood there for about 20 minutes just looking. It was like time stood still and I started to envision all of the history associated with the guitars. It was a real trip. I know it's all in our minds but that thing seemed to just radiate vibe.

    gratuitous pics:




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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    It's interesting that there are Nylon saddles on that bridge. Usually, Gibson only put those on guitars with Vibrolas. Makes me wonder if Clapton put them on before, during or after Cream. Those would make a difference in the tone. Very interesting. I'll have to get out my jeweler's loop and see if I can spot those in any of the old pictures.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Gibson put nylon saddles on most of the guitars they made between `63-`66. Having worked on and seen well over a thousand early Sixties Gibson's, most of the ones I've seen had nylon saddles. I use to get requests back in the `70's to install the brass/nickel plated ones on guitars with the nylon saddles.
    Jeff does incredible work! He did a "Rocky" Strat for me about 3-4 years ago.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    BTW, the reason Gibson went to nylon saddles was because they got complaints that their guitars were too bright sounding. The nylon was more mellow...

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Anyone know what the duck bros are?

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by zosolp View Post
    Anyone know what the duck bros are?
    The name comes from Eric Clapton and Albert Lee messing around on the tour with a couple of Duck Callers. The name stuck, and the motif was stencilled onto all the flight cases on those tours. It was also thought that this might deter theft. In '83, Eric christened his record label 'Duck Records'. So there you go the rest is
    rock and roll history !

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Quote Originally Posted by TM1 View Post
    BTW, the reason Gibson went to nylon saddles was because they got complaints that their guitars were too bright sounding. The nylon was more mellow...
    Don, that's very interesting to know. That would explain why his 335 had that "pillowy" sound to it. I don't think the Fool SG had the Nylon saddles, though.

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    Re: Gibson "Fool" SG?

    Hey Tonebender... that DRAGON is pretty sweet! I bet that I know who you were wanting to gift it to! I just got my DRAGON from Jeff last Thursday; #JP005, "I'm just looking for an angel with a broken wing... " -Jimmy Page

    Jeff is quite the artist & a hell of a nice guy!

    Here's a thread I posted over at FMIC's site:

    http://www.fender.com/community/foru...?p=34542#34542

    http://www.cqbarms.com/photos/albums...hoda_page6.jpg

    http://www.cqbarms.com/photos/albums...hoda_page4.jpg

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